Spelljammer The Forgotten Realms eats Spelljammer before it even finishes digesting Radiant Citadel!

darjr

I crit!
Good news, for some.
See Spelljammer Xyrixis spoiler.
Hey! If you wanna blow up FR then this Spelljammer set is good to go!

Just delay your players until BOOM and it’s gone!
 

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Hussar

Legend
I mean, probably not. It's not the subject of my Bachelors nor Masters degree. :p

That doesn’t really help your point though.

WotC adventures aren’t really set in FR. The references are superficial.

What about all these references that are explicit in the adventure?

Oh well they don’t matter because I don’t know FR lore.

:erm:
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
That doesn’t really help your point though.

WotC adventures aren’t really set in FR. The references are superficial.

What about all these references that are explicit in the adventure?

Oh well they don’t matter because I don’t know FR lore.

:erm:
But that's my point preciaely: they are merely Easter Eggs if they can be ignored entirely or brushed over.
 

Micah Sweet

Legend
But that's my point preciaely: they are merely Easter Eggs if they can be ignored entirely or brushed over.
What you seem to be saying to me is that what names they use don't matter, references don't matter, setting-specific details don't matter, all that matters is that -you- feel you can easily change these things, and that somehow means the adventure isn't set in the Realms? Is that right?
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
What you seem to be saying to me is that what names they use don't matter, references don't matter, setting-specific details don't matter, all that matters is that -you- feel you can easily change these things, and that somehow means the adventure isn't set in the Realms? Is that right?
They are just suggestions, use 'em or lose 'em. They don't "matter" anymore than the amount of garlic suggested in a cookbook.

There aren't any complex plots involving absolutely unique elements of the Forgotten Realms in Candlekeep: every reference I can see can easily be changed to something else. Netherese scroll? Make it something from the ancient Nazi empire in Greyhawk, or whatever ancient magical regime that is local to one's homebrew. Yes, this is very doable with Rime of the Frost Maiden...but there are no regional maps in Candlekeep, or major NPCs.
 

Hussar

Legend
Gods aren’t major NPC’s? Lore of Larue would be pretty hard to play in Eberron. Or Greyhawk for that matter.

The Grippli adventure specifically references FR Yuan-it. As in there are good Yuan-ti in the module. Those don’t exist in Greyhawk. The Night Serpent doesn’t exist in Greyhawk. Nor in Eberron either I don’t think. The whole point of that module is centred around FR lore.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Gods aren’t major NPC’s? Lore of Larue would be pretty hard to play in Eberron. Or Greyhawk for that matter.

The Grippli adventure specifically references FR Yuan-it. As in there are good Yuan-ti in the module. Those don’t exist in Greyhawk. The Night Serpent doesn’t exist in Greyhawk. Nor in Eberron either I don’t think. The whole point of that module is centred around FR lore.
Gods in D&D are the very definition of interchangeable. And "now there are some good Yuant-Ti" hardly seems specific to me.
 




Parmandur

Book-Friend
Got it. Nothing counts as setting material if you can change it. So, nothing counts as setting material.
Stuff you can change on the fly? Pretty much. A Sharn Adventure tied into the Draconic Prophecy, the Lord of Blades and the Halfling mafia would be harder for me to easily Greyhawkify on the spot while tipsy...which is why we do see that.
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
Good news, for some.
See Spelljammer Xyrixis spoiler.
Hey! If you wanna blow up FR then this Spelljammer set is good to go!

Just delay your players until BOOM and it’s gone!

Can Spelljammer blow up the Outer Planes instead?
 


Hussar

Legend
WotC "Views on Canon" - 2022

But, remember here, in context, this is absolutely not what WotC is doing. They are giving you a full on Forgotten Realms adventure, complete with setting lore (and some of it some very deep lore indeed) and virtually every adventure is presumed to occur in Forgotten Realms as the baseline. Can you pull it out into another setting? Sure, but, that's not what WotC is doing.

Watching the birth of a Forgotten Realms god isn't setting specific enough to count? Good grief.
 

teitan

Legend
They are just suggestions, use 'em or lose 'em. They don't "matter" anymore than the amount of garlic suggested in a cookbook.
Now you done it son, you're talking chemistry and that's science. The amount of garlic is precise and then you double it because you won't taste that garlic unless you do and garlic is dang delicious.

No seriously, it's chemistry, you should follow the recipe until you understand the chemistry otherwise you are going to mess that recipe up and you're family is going to be eating Hamberders and covfefe fries. Ya know, garbage.
 


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