the tablet war is heating up

But who said's a tablet has to be a low powered platform? Think Differently. (heh) If they are able to get a portable windows os that remains powerful they will successfully change the face of tablet computing while raising the bar.

To do what?

Why do I need a full blown OS? Somebody using a tablet is more like the stereotypical user: word, excel, browser, powerpoint

that's it. Most users need a browser and Word. "Power users" need excel and powerpoint.

Folks who need anything more, trend to actually need a real computer or laptop.

But your mom, your boss, a salesrep, and office worker? They don't need that stuff. Windows95 with Office and a browser was all they needed.

Heck, Windows95 would SCREAM on a modern "slow" processor. And that too was a full OS.

what makes Windows a Full OS is the code bloat and feature bloat of artsy crap that doesn't actually make your computer better, just slower.
 

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I think that's what RdM's point was (or am I wrong?)

They'll be able to scale the OS down in the "tablet version" so that it can do what typical users need, but be powerful enough so that a power-user can still use it for what they need.

A network admin may want so additional tools that could let him/her work wirelessly at a NOC while wandering around the server room, but the tools may require some other client that a base user wouldn't need (citrix, et. al.)

No reason to tie your hands or paint yourself into obsolesence just because most users aren't power users. Windows 7 Home is fairly different than Windows 7 Ultimate, but it's the same base OS.
 

You all made my point lolol.

Remember technology advances and chips and hardware is getting smaller and more powerful. Eventually heat may not be an as much of an issue as it is today, especially considering that Apple as well as others are trying to come up with ways to minimize heat using gels or something. This tells me that both Apple and Microsoft know that eventually some people will get tired of "toy OSes" on their tablets and would eventually want something more powerful so they can have the same experience they have on their desk or laptop as well as being able to experience apps and content like they do on their iDevice or Android (sorry MS you lose here)...

This day will come sooner or later and the first person to make this scalable version of their OS would be labeled a genius. Well actually, let's be realistic, if Microsoft does it 20 years before Apple they will never get credit EVEN if it is better then OS X and iOS combined, but if Apple does this before MS then "OMG STEVE JOBS IS BRILLIANT AND REVOLUTIONARY AND HE REINVENTED THE COMPUTER!"
 
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This day will come sooner or later and the first person to make this scalable version of their OS would be labeled a genius. Well actually, let's be realistic, if Microsoft does it 20 years before Apple they will never get credit EVEN if it is better then OS X and iOS combined, but if Apple does this before MS then "OMG STEVE JOBS IS BRILLIANT AND REVOLUTIONARY AND HE REINVENTED THE COMPUTER!"
So true.

It seems that while some MS/Windows users can constructively criticize their favored OS or platform, there appears to be a significantly lower percentage of OS X/iOS/Apple users that do the same.

PC/Windows = boring productive work stuff
Mac/Apple = too cool for words

Yet, I run Photoshop pretty damn efficiently on my screaming PC.
 

I think that's what RdM's point was (or am I wrong?)

They'll be able to scale the OS down in the "tablet version" so that it can do what typical users need, but be powerful enough so that a power-user can still use it for what they need.

A network admin may want so additional tools that could let him/her work wirelessly at a NOC while wandering around the server room, but the tools may require some other client that a base user wouldn't need (citrix, et. al.)

No reason to tie your hands or paint yourself into obsolesence just because most users aren't power users. Windows 7 Home is fairly different than Windows 7 Ultimate, but it's the same base OS.

well, prior to Win7 (as i can't confirm), the only difference was registry settings. The server OSes gave priority to services, and the desktop flavor gave priority to applications. the binaries were essentially the same.

in any modern OS, the OS is responsible for:
network stack
GUI stack
process management
backend services (hidden processes)
file system access
security and user identity/authentication management

the problem with MS, is they turn on a zillion theme features, so the start button looks pretty and animated, the desktop has floating widgets, etc. You start turning that stuff off and your rig will look like a Windows95/W2K box.

most of the problems with Vista is all the crap they turned ON that wraps all the basic stuff. File copies take forever from a Vista machine because it does a validation on EVERY file, something NT never did before (as it generally was not needed).

The list of OS responsibilities exists in my BB, my Android and in my iThing. It's all been there since we all moved off DOS.

so when people say they want a full featured OS, I gotta ask, what feature?

I have an 8-track DAW in my iPad, courtesy of GarageBand or similar apps
there are graphics programs, spreadsheets, word processors, mysql interfaces, Remote Desktop and VNC clients, even Webex and Citrix. I can probably find packet sniffers and wifi decryptors if I tried. There are SMB clients, etc, so I can navigate file shares. I can remote into a terminal servver or your PC if I really need "full featuredness"

The full featuredness lies in the apps available (which admittedly, Apple can hamper, Android does not).

The only real limit the hardware/OS places is screen size, and the multi-tasking experience. You can't see 2 apps at once, and unlike the TaskBar in Windows, what's running and how to switch isn't in your face on the mobile OSes.

So I ask, what does Win7 actually give me that I don't have in iOS/Android that isn't "art" or pre-packaged crap I could have installed independently.

Apps that simply can't exist on mobile devices are more likely constrained by memory and practical usability. Visual Studio would be a PITA on a small screen with no keyboard/mouse to write code with. an iScreen with a keyboard would therefore be a desktop computer, and would be usable. In which case, I don't see any technical reason Visual Studio for iScreen couldn't exist. I also assume, a larger form factor would pack in more memory, as the size of the screen lets them pack in more flat hardware across its form factor.
 

This day will come sooner or later and the first person to make this scalable version of their OS would be labeled a genius. Well actually, let's be realistic, if Microsoft does it 20 years before Apple they will never get credit EVEN if it is better then OS X and iOS combined, but if Apple does this before MS then "OMG STEVE JOBS IS BRILLIANT AND REVOLUTIONARY AND HE REINVENTED THE COMPUTER!"

do you mean like Linux?

Which was running Tivo's 10 years ago? A mini fw version of linux runs my NAS, which the actual hardware for is smaller than the hard drives it mounts.


Which, unless Mac has changed again, it's based on Unix, which Linux is a clone of. Both are fairly modular OSes. There's little reason Mac couldn't have been based on linux (short of personal preferences of Apple designers)
 

well, prior to Win7 (as i can't confirm), the only difference was registry settings. The server OSes gave priority to services, and the desktop flavor gave priority to applications. the binaries were essentially the same.

I don't know either, but I can say that I find it far more responsive than Vista or even XP was, and it seems like the OS has less clutter. Though, I admit it may only seem that way.


most of the problems with Vista is all the crap they turned ON that wraps all the basic stuff. File copies take forever from a Vista machine because it does a validation on EVERY file, something NT never did before (as it generally was not needed).

Vista was a bad experiment. Win7 is what the next evolutionary step from XP should have been. It, unfortunately, came late to the party.

Apps that simply can't exist on mobile devices are more likely constrained by memory and practical usability. Visual Studio would be a PITA on a small screen with no keyboard/mouse to write code with. an iScreen with a keyboard would therefore be a desktop computer, and would be usable. In which case, I don't see any technical reason Visual Studio for iScreen couldn't exist. I also assume, a larger form factor would pack in more memory, as the size of the screen lets them pack in more flat hardware across its form factor.
You are right, and you may have explained my point better than I did, but from a different angle. What I meant by a "tablet" version of the OS was more along the lines of a tablet friendly UI as opposed to a fully featured (>?) UI that would let me better browse file systems, take advantage of running VS, SQL Enterprise Manager, Outlook and view PDFs on my two or three monitors. A smartphone UI would be even more compact, but the underpinning would be the same. It maybe a completely services based OS, with different services activated by default (or even with an "install on first use" paradigm) based upon which apps, platform (home vs business) or form-factor (smartphone vs tablet vs notebook/pc) the end user wanted.
 

I don't expect any manufacturer to be able to effectively compete with Apple in the pure tablet market. With the iPad, Apple's lead is now too large and Apple's cachet too ubiquitous.

What I have seen this past week coming from Intel at D9, however, makes me wonder if pure tablets may prove to be faddish. The ultra-thin notebook tech coming from Intel in 2012 suggests to me that the biggest competitor for Tablets is going to be ultrathin clamshell laptop/notebooks.

The Asus ultralights using Intel's new chips looked impressive as all hell. And by all accounts, the thickness of these units will decrease even more in 2013, while maintaining battery power.

$800, Wintel based, thinner-than-a-Mac-Airbook tech has a sexiness all on its own. I am not so sure that Apple will be able to compete against that. The price-point is just WAY too attractive.

As an iPad owner I appreciate that there is a difference between the two platforms. Still, find a way to incorporate Dell's spinnerama style monitor tech with Intel's ultrathin design and multi-touch Windows 8 with laptop (not just netbook) computing power? At an $800 price point?

Game over.
 
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Well actually, let's be realistic, if Microsoft does it 20 years before Apple they will never get credit EVEN if it is better then OS X and iOS combined, but if Apple does this before MS then "OMG STEVE JOBS IS BRILLIANT AND REVOLUTIONARY AND HE REINVENTED THE COMPUTER!"

Are there some good examples of amazing breakthroughs made by Microsoft that changed the direction of computing? And if so, that they didn't get credit for?
 

Are there some good examples of amazing breakthroughs made by Microsoft that changed the direction of computing? And if so, that they didn't get credit for?

Not really. MS was really good at hitting the best trade-off between performance, price, usability and backwards-compatibility. They were never the best at any one thing, except maybe the non-sexy backwards-compatibility, but all their competitors were significantly worse in one area.

They were also, and this is rather underrated, very good at getting devs to produce programs for their platform. Most people use programs, not OSes. If your platform doesn't have the program they need, they go elsewhere.

In some respects, it's arguable that Apple has overtaken MS here with the App store, and that is a key contributor to their success.
 

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