They Killed Cap!

[Kendermage]

"Governament."

Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?

Actually yes, just can't type better than than a fifth grader.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

I suspect you'll see four guys rise up each claiming to be Captain America. One will be a man in an Iron Suit (Iron man), Another will be a cyborg version of Cap, the third will be a teenaged boy cloned from Cap's DNA, and the Fourth will be an alien that posseses the dead body of Cap. None of them will ultimately be Cap; who will be revealed to be a political prisoner of the U.S Government.

What's funny about this is it's not too far off, so far. We've got images of Iron Man holding Cap's shield (Steel), and the Punisher in a Cap-like costume (Eradicator). We've also got Patriot from the Young Avengers out there running around (Superboy). We just need a cyborg version... and Deathlok's been returned to active status recently with Dwayne McDuffie's Beyond! series, although he's not evil.

Who would be Cap's likely cyborg counterpart... maybe a Machinesmith Cap robot?

 

[kroh]

Who would be Cap's likely cyborg counterpart... maybe a Machinesmith Cap robot?

SPOILER

Spoiler

In #28 of New Avengers there is a CAP Bot that SHIELD uses to try and trick the Avengers into a trap. At the last minute Wolverine pulls out the stink detector and realizes that the scent is all wrong. Stupid LMD's.

Regards,
Walt

 

[Vigilance]

What's funny about this is it's not too far off, so far. We've got images of Iron Man holding Cap's shield (Steel), and the Punisher in a Cap-like costume (Eradicator). We've also got Patriot from the Young Avengers out there running around (Superboy). We just need a cyborg version... and Deathlok's been returned to active status recently with Dwayne McDuffie's Beyond! series, although he's not evil.

Who would be Cap's likely cyborg counterpart... maybe a Machinesmith Cap robot?

Winter Soldier (aka Bucky) has a cybernetic arm now. Maybe him.

 

[Felon]

And speak in the third person. I can see it now:

"FINALLY, the Cap has come BACK to the Avengers! Who in the blue hell are you?"

"I'm..."

"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS! And the rest of those pajama wearing jabronis WERE right. You do suck."

Is this coming from the Avengers that have all those members that were previously considered too "small-time" to fly around with Cap and Iron man saving the world? The Avengers where everyone who heard about the lineup in advance went "Luke Cage? Spider-Man AND Woman? WOLVERINE??? No way this team will last!" Yet fans fell in love with the book anyway, didn't they? Boy, did you just heave a mountain of evidence against your own position.

 

[Felon]

I don't agree. For one Bats isn't as strong, and probably isn't as fast. Back in the old "Handbook Of The Marvel Universe" series Cap was listed as being at the total peak of natural human strength and could press 800lbs. Bats was never listed as definiately in the DC books, but I've read tons of stories were big thugs are stronger than him, that doesn't happen with Cap.

The Who's Who didn't make a point of giving hard data like lifting capacity, but it certainly stated that Bats has speant years developing himself to be as good as anyone could get.

Cap has fought big 450 lb. mooks that he had to outmaneuver rather than outmuscle (he may be in peak human condition, but he's not at maximum human size). Batman has beaten up superhumanly strong bad guys. Nothing conclusive there.

The most conclusive evidence we have is Cap and Bats sparring three times. Two of those instances were a push, and one went to Bats (granted, like most of Marvel Vs. DC, it was kind of a rushed and unsatisfying encounter).

I've had this discussion many of times, and it always boils down to this: some people get it into their heads that peak physical condition is unattainable through training and that it can only be achieved through a "cheat" like the super soldier sauce. However, let's think this out. Cap is not supposed to have powers. Rather, he's at the utmost limit of what a human can be without being superhuman. Yet, if Cap's physical qualities are unattainable without external augmentation, then that by definition is superhuman.

 

[Black Omega]

I've had this discussion many of times, and it always boils down to this: some people get it into their heads that peak physical condition is unattainable through training and that it can only be achieved through a "cheat" like the super soldier sauce. However, let's think this out. Cap is not supposed to have powers. Rather, he's at the utmost limit of what a human can be without being superhuman. Yet, if Cap's physical qualities are unattainable without external augmentation, then that by definition is superhuman.

When the Super Soldier formula was removed from Cap for a time after Streets of Poison, Cap noted his next fight was tougher because he wasn't as strong or fast as he had been. He still won, and against top opposition. But it seemed pretty clear the formula pushed him to another level of physical ability.

 

[Ranger REG]

When the Super Soldier formula was removed from Cap for a time after Streets of Poison, Cap noted his next fight was tougher because he wasn't as strong or fast as he had been. He still won, and against top opposition. But it seemed pretty clear the formula pushed him to another level of physical ability.

Hey, that's a good idea!

Bring back blonde-haired, blue-eyed Steve Rogers only he's addicted to the Super Soldier formula (which only works temporarily because his newly-regenerated body is breaking down the formula rapidly).

Now that's the man behind the mask. I still can't relate to him, but at least he serve as a cautionary tale.

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

Is this coming from the Avengers that have all those members that were previously considered too "small-time" to fly around with Cap and Iron man saving the world? The Avengers where everyone who heard about the lineup in advance went "Luke Cage? Spider-Man AND Woman? WOLVERINE??? No way this team will last!" Yet fans fell in love with the book anyway, didn't they? Boy, did you just heave a mountain of evidence against your own position.

Bah. Cap'll give them the People's Elbow, and all will be right with the world.

Brad

 

[Nuclear Platypus]

Is this coming from the Avengers that have all those members that were previously considered too "small-time" to fly around with Cap and Iron man saving the world? The Avengers where everyone who heard about the lineup in advance went "Luke Cage? Spider-Man AND Woman? WOLVERINE??? No way this team will last!" Yet fans fell in love with the book anyway, didn't they? Boy, did you just heave a mountain of evidence against your own position.

There was once the Great Lakes Avengers and heck, the regular Avengers had freakin' Doctor Druid in the lineup and as the head honcho too! There was also Gilgamesh who got killed kind of quick too.

In case you didn't know, Dwayne Johnson = the Rock, who initially was hated by the millions (and millions) of the Rock's fans. The Rock stuff was meant as the new Cap meeting someone like Electro (Spidey says he sucks).

As for the New Avengers, it was Cap that made it work. "If Captain America says you're an Avenger, then you're an Avenger." Ok, not really but he got almost everyone in the group even the "semi cursed" Spider-Man (never stayed part of a team) and kept 'em in, even with bad publicity (Spidey) or shady pasts (Wolverine, Cage and Drew).