TSR TSR (2) Confirms TSR (3)'s Acquisition of Trademark (Updated!)

Jayson Elliot registered the TSR trademark back in 2011 and used it to launch Gygax Magazine along with Ernie and Luke Gygax. The two Gygax's left the company a few years later after Gary Gygax's (co-founder of TSR (1) back in the 1970s) widow, Gail Gygax, forced the closure of Gygax Magazine. Then, earlier this year, TSR (3) swooped in on the TSR trademark, after Jayson Elliot accidentally...

Jayson Elliot registered the TSR trademark back in 2011 and used it to launch Gygax Magazine along with Ernie and Luke Gygax. The two Gygax's left the company a few years later after Gary Gygax's (co-founder of TSR (1) back in the 1970s) widow, Gail Gygax, forced the closure of Gygax Magazine. Then, earlier this year, TSR (3) swooped in on the TSR trademark, after Jayson Elliot accidentally let it lapse, as TSR (2) confirms:

We have owned the TSR trademark since 2011. Last year, we missed a filing date, and another company registered it, though we are still using it in commerce. While we could win a lawsuit, we frankly don't have the money to litigate. So, we're licensing it back from them.

As a result, there are two companies now using the name TSR. You can tell when it's us because we're the only ones using the new logo.

They're opening a museum in Lake Geneva at the old TSR house, and we wish them success with it, it's important to celebrate the legacy that Gary Gygax created.


Ernie Gygax, formerly of TSR (1) under Gary Gygax, then working with Jayson Elliot as part of TSR (2), is one of the founders of of TSR (3), and confirmed in his (now infamous) interview --

The other TSR is a licensee because [Jayson Elliot] let it lapse. But he had absolutely ... love for the game and the products. There was no reason to say 'oh you've screwed up, oh it's all ours, ha ha ha ha!' Instead, Justin [LaNasa] came to him and said ... we love that you're doing Top Secret things, we have a much broader goal for the whole thing. But there's no reason for you to stop or even have any troubles. Justin said, I'll take care of the paperwork, you just give me $10 a year, and you put out all this love for old school gaming that you can. And we appreciate that you were there to try and pick up things, and you produced Gygax Magazine, for in its time that you're also working on a game that you love to play ... because Top Secret was Jayson's love, as a young man.


TSR (2), still run by Jayson Elliot, publishes Top Secret, and is not connected to TSR (3) other than now having to license it’s own name from them. TSR (3) has also registered the trademark to Star Frontiers, a game owned by and still currently sold by D&D-owner WotC.

In other news the GYGAX trademark appears to have lapsed.


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UPDATE! TSR (2) has decided NOT to license its own name from TSR (3):

Update to our earlier tweet - we will NOT be licensing anything from the new company claiming rights to the TSR logos. We are not working with them in any fashion.
 

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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
IANAL, but I am lay-experienced with copyright law, and TSR (2) would be highly likely to prevail in court. Demonstrating prior use in commerce is a stronger argument than the date you apply for a copyright with the USPTO. But one of the core mechanics of copyright law is that you have to defend your rights, and that means legal bills.

This is not a copyright issue. It is a trademark issue. They are not the same.
 

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imagineGod

Legend
Absolute nonsense. Just because a code exists (and "treat others as you yourself would be treated" is pretty universal across societies) doesn't mean that everyone is going to follow it. And the implementation is hard.
If people do not follow the code then it might as well not exist.

Jupiter's Legacy, though not the best executed TV series, showed that a universal code is a delusion even when superpowers are used to promote it.

Humanity as a species is too diverse to have a common unifying code for the whole species everywhere. Else, why do we have different nations, states, cities, all with different codes for almost all aspects of society.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
And this is a problem because ...?

I for one will be delighted if future generations hold standards I can at most aspire to.

Nonsense. There pretty much is a universal standard in The Golden Rule in its many variant expressions. Treat others as you would want to be treated.

You don't know how the future is gonna turn out though. Only thing you can be certain of it's going to be different.

I suspect things are gonna get worse myself and some nation states may not make it through the next 100 years intact or in their current form at least.
 



Reef

Hero
I don’t think we need to establish a universal code of human goodness in order to agree that snatching a trademark out from under a business partner and trying to justify it by saying you’re protecting your father’s legacy from statements of inclusion is still a crappy thing to do…
 


BookTenTiger

He / Him
If people do not follow the code then it might as well not exist.

Jupiter's Legacy, though not the best executed TV series, showed that a universal code is a delusion even when superpowers are used to promote it.

Humanity as a species is too diverse to have a common unifying code for the whole species everywhere. Else, why do we have different nations, states, cities, all with different codes for almost all aspects of society.
Coming to Netflix this summer...

Gygax's Legacy!

Old Gygax: "I created the perfect code: alignment! Why won't the youth follow it?"

D&D Player: "I'm going to negotiate with the goblins."

Old Gygax: "THAT'S NOT LAWFUL GOOD!"

Old Gygax starts shooting laser vision or something.
 


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