Undead etc "Loose a Surge" !!!

[Istar]

How does it work when you have no surges left.
But have lots of HP's.
What is the RAW on that ?

 

[Grydan]

By RAW, unless the effect specifically says otherwise, nothing happens.

Some people like to house rule some effect (like losing a surge worth of HP, or HP equal to your level), but there is no blanket official rule that covers it.

Note that most effects that include the "target loses a healing surge" bit also inflict damage already. That damage, even if minuscule, should be scary enough to a character that's out of healing surges, without any additional boosts.

 

[Klaus]

How does it work when you have no surges left.
But have lots of HP's.
What is the RAW on that ?

Keep in mind that undead *do* have surges. Heroic-tier monsters have 1 surge (Paragon have 2 and Epic have 3). Monsters just usually lack a way of accessing these surges.

 

[Infiniti2000]

How does it work when you have no surges left.
But have lots of HP's.
What is the RAW on that ?

There's another thread on this exact same topic, albeit it was subsequently derailed for a discussion on how to DM. I recommend you simply read the first reply, which is amazingly similar to the first reply in this thread.

 

[wlmartin]

How does it work when you have no surges left.
But have lots of HP's.
What is the RAW on that ?

The RAW is that nothing happens.
Some people say they should loose LEVEL/HP or a Healing Surge Value of HP but the RAW is that nothing happens... they just cant heal.

Realistically although some people CALL for something to happen here, something does happen --- they are effectively on their last legs and any other type of attack could force Death Saves if enough pressure is piled on.

I heard of a DM that used a monster which had a power that stripped healing surges... once they were down he would grab the player and self distruct causing a massive amount of damage.. the DM did this because he was a little TPK crazy (perhaps he was running a Delve, I dont remember) but the effect was that the player suffered near death damage and was taking ongoing damage as well... within 2 turns he was Saving for Death

 

[DarkLord Of DForce]

I think this depends on the situation doesn't it? If you have no HS's left, and some attack takes 1 from you, by RAW nothing happens. Only if your DM houserules some effect...(or the power specifically defines something)

However, if its an environmental/endurance type skill challenge, then you lose your level in HP's.

Is this not correct according to the Compendium?

 

[Mengu]

I had a dog named Surge once. I let him loose on undead all the time and he did quite well, particularly against skeletons. He loved leg bones.