Wheel of Time Discussion - Spoilers(with book spoilers)

[Parmandur]

Yeah.

Also I don’t recall any hint of Matt’s parents being drunks?

Mat's dad was a lot like him, but mature and settled down. They done him dirty.

 

[Parmandur]

^ That would be me. I started the series around the time the Great Hunt came out, and bought and devoured each book as they came out. And then Path of Daggers hit (book 8). I think the 50 page prologue that was a horse ride killed it for me. It was peak braid-tugging and brocade-describing. I could never find my way back in.

Books 6-8 are slower, but they lay a lot of groundwork for the end that pays off in spades.

 

[payn]

Sort of. And of course that's one tale. I'm not saying that sexuality is totally absent, or that there aren't elements of gritty realism in parts of his overall work, just that those are de-emphasized, and including them more than in an implied and/or secondary way would seem gratuitous.

And the larger point: What is the spirit of Tolkien? It isn't Game of Thrones in Middle-earth. I doubt the new series will be that, but I wouldn't put it past them to try to bring in the GoT crowd by including such elements.

The GoT crowd was everybody so its an attractive crowd to target. Making a series isnt as easy as publishing a book, you cant focus on diehard cult fans and need to expand the material.

 

[Parmandur]

The GoT crowd was everybody so its an attractive crowd to target. Making a series isnt as easy as publishing a book, you cant focus on diehard cult fans and need to expand the material.

The Wheel of Time books were a "four quadrant" hit, actually, so done well there is a lot of potential. Whether this show lives up to that I'd an open question.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Mat's dad was a lot like him, but mature and settled down. They done him dirty.

Yeah it’s another example of CWing characters in order to make sure every main character has juicy drama to deal with right off the bat. The Perrin decision is more egregious, but the Matt thing is still needless and cheap.

 

[Parmandur]

Yeah it’s another example of CWing characters in order to make sure every main character has juicy drama to deal with right off the bat. The Perrin decision is more egregious, but the Matt thing is still needless and cheap.

Thing is, treating Abele like this has knock-on effects in later season, too, since he is a significant character in Two Rivers plotlines.

 

[payn]

The Wheel of Time books were a "four quadrant" hit, actually, so done well there is a lot of potential. Whether this show lives up to that I'd an open question.

Books aint the same as film, they dont translate 1 for 1. GoT was able to transcend its genre, but I dont see WoT doing that. Guess we will see.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Thing is, treating Abele like this has knock-on effects in later season, too, since he is a significant character in Two Rivers plotlines.

Yeah absolutely.

And Perrin is gonna come back and his dead wife is either going to matter (even if just being a thing he has to deal with emotionally), or be revealed as even more cheap than it seems now.

 

[payn]

Yeah it’s another example of CWing characters in order to make sure every main character has juicy drama to deal with right off the bat. The Perrin decision is more egregious, but the Matt thing is still needless and cheap.

It did feel like they were piling crap on the characters to make them more sympathetic.

 

[Parmandur]

Books aint the same as film, they dont translate 1 for 1. GoT was able to transcend its genre, but I dont see WoT doing that. Guess we will see.

I mean, Game of Thrones was big for cable, but let's not exaggerate it's audience, either.