Wheel of Time Discussion - Spoilers(with book spoilers)

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Have they even said in the show what country the Two Rivers is from? Or made many comments about how rare strangers are? I don’t think that the show has made any strong attempts to do so, where as in the books this is all very specifically stated.
Yes. Moiraine goes on at some length about Manetheren and how the Two Rivers folk are from there. I think she even says the old blood runs true in the Two Rivers. Further, they make a point to talk about when the peddler Padan Fain comes, excited to be getting a visitor. The strong implication is that they do get visitors, but that they aren't that common.
 

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They have an 8 Season outline, and apparently Amazon is hardliners about 8 episode Seasons. So, we are looking at the whole story being condensed into about 64 episodes, though I hope the Last Battle gets a feature length treatment.

The showrunner said recently that Mat is skipping straight to his Book 3 plot for Season 2, and they have cast characters from Book 3 fornSeason 2, so a mix of Great Hunt and Dragon Reborn seems likely, and 2 books a season moving forward.
Mat doesn't do anything exciting in Book 2 other than blowing the Horn. Other than that he's a jerk who is wasting away....
 

I’m sorry, that’s not a dig at you. It was a reference to the fact that in the age of legends people were beyond racism and didn’t segregate. I just don’t understand what is sloppy about genetic makeup being mixed across lands, following an enlightened time like this.

If the genetic make up in the mountain town is mixed to start with… then it isn’t going to resemble any one particular group in 500 years time. Also don’t forget that the Edmonds Fielders are descents of a massive city. It’s like if something indiscriminately wiped out 99.5% of Londoners and the survivors started again.
So magic can alter physics, but not biology?
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
I think if Two Rivers was THAT isolated and homogenous, Rand being adopted couldn't be a surprise for him... He is clearlly different from the people he grew up with and neither him or anyone else questioned that until Moiraine came around?
Tam Al'Thor's wife was a redhead from outside the Two Rivers, so there was some plausible deniability. Basically everyone questions Rand's ethnicity once they leave the tight-knit community where people mind there own business, though.
 
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Bolares

Hero
Tam Althouse wife was a redhead from outside the Two Rivers, so there was some plausible deniability. Basically everyone questions Rand's ethnicity once they leave the tight-knit community where people mind there own business, though.
Yeah, but that goes in direct contradiction with the statement that two rivers is completelly isolated and has no outside influence. Those two statements seem pretty contradictory to me. (I know you are not making this argument)
 

Bolares

Hero
And from what I've read (they are just now getting on their horses to leave two rivers) the Emond's Field folk are VERY MUCH in each other's business :p (mainly those damned Coplins!)
 

Mezuka

Adventurer
Never finished the books. I'm okay with the series. The last episode was a bit underwhelming.

So they are five. Two will side with the light, two will side with the darkness. Rand will vacillate between the two until he chooses the light and wins the day. The End. 🙃
 

Bolares

Hero
I think the episode was kind of anticlimatic. It seems it does a good job of being half of the first arch of the series as a whole, but a bad endpoint for the season by itself.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
I think the episode was kind of anticlimatic. It seems it does a good job of being half of the first arch of the series as a whole, but a bad endpoint for the season by itself.
The books ending is fairly abrupt and awkward: the original story outline, for a trilogy snort, had the first book end where the third book climaxes, and in retrospect that "opening trilogy" does feel like a tight unit.

Basically, the series ended needing nearly 5 books for every book Jordan thought he would need. Brevity was not his strong suit.
 


Bolares

Hero
The books ending is fairly abrupt and awkward: the original story outline, for a trilogy snort, had the first book end where the third book climaxes, and in retrospect that "opening trilogy" does feel like a tight unit.

Basically, the series ended needing nearly 5 books for every book Jordan thought he would need. Brevity was not his strong suit.
There is also Covid messing everything up. I'd bet A LOT of the finale had to be changed because of covid and the Mat actor leaving...
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Pretty cool post-mortem for the Season here:

"Mainly what we have to focus on is compression, and then reacting to those compressions. Like, we can't go to Caemlyn because we can't afford it and we don't have time, so that is a great compression, but it has ripple effects. All of those things have ripple effects, so we have to take the stories and tie them back together. We have a big round-up point at the end of season 2 that reconnects everything and pushes us off in a new direction where we've completed all the stories we need to get through, albeit in a slightly different order so we can compress them. We only add new stories when we need to. In season 1, we really needed to emotionally explain mythological things about Aes Sedai and Warders, so we had to add story there. We'll obviously have to add story for Moiraine and Lan (Daniel Henney) because they're basically sidelined for a couple books, but we're not going to put Rosamund Pike on the bench. We have to add some story while we're compressing, so it's still a tense battle to fit every season into those eight episodes."

 

Well, Moraine gets sidelined for an important story reason, though I guess they could compress that into an episode or two. I don't recall Lan being sidelined all that long in story time (given that a relatively short time gets stretched into three plus novels).
 

Well, Moraine gets sidelined for an important story reason, though I guess they could compress that into an episode or two. I don't recall Lan being sidelined all that long in story time (given that a relatively short time gets stretched into three plus novels).
Lan and Moiraine are almost completely absent in Book 2. They're there at the start, end, and a single chapter in the middle.
 


Bolares

Hero
Well, Moraine gets sidelined for an important story reason, though I guess they could compress that into an episode or two. I don't recall Lan being sidelined all that long in story time (given that a relatively short time gets stretched into three plus novels).
The showrunner already said they will compress her sidelining because they can't/shouldn't put Rosamund Pike on the shelf for that long.
 




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