Mishihari Lord
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While either one can kill you, I'd definitely take the baseball bat. A hit on a limb with a bat will break the bone. A similar hit with a dagger can easily kill if it hits an artery. It all depends on where you get hit.
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D&D 5E Why does the club do d4?
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While either one can kill you, I'd definitely take the baseball bat. A hit on a limb with a bat will break the bone. A similar hit with a dagger can easily kill if it hits an artery. It all depends on where you get hit.
Yeah I really don't see the issue here either. If a club did more than 1d4, why would anybody bother to make shortswords, daggers or many other weapons when they could just pick up a decent stick and call it a day. Mechanically, it helps distinguish between a poorly armed rabble and basic soldiers.
Hussar
Legend
Two pounds is about the weight of a baseball bat, so, that's a pretty good measure. Yes, you can certainly kill someone with a bat, but, it's generally going to take you a while. Certainly a lot longer than what you can do with a six inch double bladed knife, which is what a dagger roughly is. At d6, you make the damage equal to a 4 pound mace or a quarterstaff, for that matter.
I'm having a big of difficulty seeing why a 2 pound bat would do the same damage as a 4 pound mace and a 4 pound quarterstaff. Never mind that at d6, you make a club equal to a spear and that's just not right at all. I know clubs used to be d6, but, really, they were probably a bit too high damage really. Why would a club do the same damage as a quarterstaff?
I'm having a big of difficulty seeing why a 2 pound bat would do the same damage as a 4 pound mace and a 4 pound quarterstaff. Never mind that at d6, you make a club equal to a spear and that's just not right at all. I know clubs used to be d6, but, really, they were probably a bit too high damage really. Why would a club do the same damage as a quarterstaff?
AmerginLiath
Adventurer
A club is a stick. It's not well weighted or meant for serious fighting. A police truncheon would NOT be a club – it would be a mace.
Each listed weapon covers a category of weapons. Just as long swords easily include a katana, so daggers and short swords together cover the range of short blades from simple knives to a long parrying blades (a two-weapon fighter with two short swords would likely actually have one blade longer/larger than the other, but the system doesn't go that granular). The distinction of club vs. mace, like Simple vs. Martial in general shows one of workmanship and how meant a weapon is for war/guard duty/serious fighting vs. hunting or home protection.
Each listed weapon covers a category of weapons. Just as long swords easily include a katana, so daggers and short swords together cover the range of short blades from simple knives to a long parrying blades (a two-weapon fighter with two short swords would likely actually have one blade longer/larger than the other, but the system doesn't go that granular). The distinction of club vs. mace, like Simple vs. Martial in general shows one of workmanship and how meant a weapon is for war/guard duty/serious fighting vs. hunting or home protection.
Cyan Wisp
Explorer
Could you maybe have more of a artisan-crafted club - hafted with a heavy ball and knobbly bits. Works like a mace (d6), but its wooden and its a "club".
I'm really enjoying having a character (3.5e spirit shaman) that clobbers people with a club. It just seems more brutal and unusual than a mace. Even the name..."Club". I am going to club you to death. Ouch.
I'm really enjoying having a character (3.5e spirit shaman) that clobbers people with a club. It just seems more brutal and unusual than a mace. Even the name..."Club". I am going to club you to death. Ouch.
Have you considered Shillelagh?
Every time I scroll past the thread title in the forum I think, "Because it's a stick." In the grand scheme of things, it is 1 point of damage difference.
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You could use shillelagh as mentioned above, but also, I *believe* ( away from books, speaking from memory) when you use an improvised weapon the dm may say a weapon that it is close to. Many improvised weapons ( table legs, or anything that is bat like) could be considered like a club. Thus club is setting the base for a large swath of improvised weapons as well.
( again I'm speaking from memory away from books)
( again I'm speaking from memory away from books)
TarionzCousin
Second Most Angelic Devil Ever
Duct tape the dagger to the end of the baseball bat: voila modern peasant weapon.
... and make it do 1d6 damage.
... and make it do 1d6 damage.
Duct tape the dagger to the end of the baseball bat: voila modern peasant weapon.
... and make it do 1d6 damage.
If you invent duct tape, it is time to retire as an adventure and make a killing of a different kind.
