D&D (2024) With Nick Weapon mastery do both weapons need to be nick to use it or only the first or only the 2nd?

[DrJawaPhD]

Only 1 TWF/Nick per turn.

But I believe you can do after the first or second attack, your choice.

Well say you have a Scimitar in mainhand (MH) and Dagger in offhand (OH). If you have extra attack, couldn't you do:

Action, take Attack Action:

• Attack 1. MH scimitar attack + OH dagger attack thru Nick property
• Attack 2. MH scimitar attack

Bonus action:
- OH dagger attack thru TWF

 

[mellored]

Well say you have a Scimitar in mainhand (MH) and Dagger in offhand (OH). If you have extra attack, couldn't you do:

Action, take Attack Action:

• Attack 1. MH scimitar attack + OH dagger attack thru Nick property
• Attack 2. MH scimitar attack

Yes.

Bonus action:
- OH dagger attack thru TWF

No. Only 1 TWF/Nick per turn.

Nick just leaves your bonus action is available for other stuff though, like Hunter's Mark, Cunning Action, Steady Aim, or Divine Smite.

 

[DrJawaPhD]

No. Only 1 TWF/Nick per turn.

Where does it say this? The book says, "You can make this extra attack only once per turn." (bold emphasis mine)

I would interpret "this extra attack" to mean the free Nick offhand attack can only be done once per turn, but that it does not say anything Yes or No about using TWF bonus action if you have another mainhand attack

edit: btw I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm still confused here and trying to figure it out

 

[mellored]

Where does it say this? The book says, "You can make this extra attack only once per turn." (bold emphasis mine)

I would interpret "this extra attack" to mean the free Nick offhand attack can only be done once per turn, but that it does not say anything Yes or No about using TWF bonus action if you have another mainhand attack

edit: btw I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm still confused here and trying to figure it out

From the playtest...

Under the Light weapon property, which Nick is modifying.

"When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a Light weapon, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action..."

... I could see some wiggle room with action surge though.

 

[ECMO3]

So its now three atcks under 5th level, and 4 attacks at 5th level. One weapon has to be Nick, the other three just have to be light, so you could have a variety of weapon masteries there. With the Dual Wielder feat, you don't need to use Light anymore. Therefore, it seems to me Nick is a combo-starter; you start with Nick and that opens up a range of different weapons you can produce to knock your opponent around, sap them, vex them, etc etc.

On all single class characters except Monks and Fighters it is 2 attacks a round level 4 and under if using 2 light weapons. The only thing that changes is if you have Nick on one of the weapons you don't need to use a bonus action.

On a single class Fighter it is 2 attacks or 3 when you action surge*

On a single class Monk it is 2 attacks or 3 when you FOB.

If you multiclass you can raise this number with one level in Monk OR 3 levels in Dance Bard OR 3 levels in War Cleric along with a class that gets weapon mastery (Barbarian, Paladin, Fighter, Ranger, Rogue).

If you have a 2+ Monk levels and the nick property and weapon mastery from a one level dip, you would get 3 attacks (action, nick attack, martial arts attack) or 4 attacks when you use FOB at 4th leve.

If you have 3 levels in dance bard plus one level for mastery you could get 3 attacks (action, nick, martial arts) if you used a bardic inspiration that turn

If you have 3 levels of War Cleric you could get 3 attacks (action, nick, war priest) a limited number of times.

I believe the maximum number of attacks in a round at level 4 is 5 attacks on a Fighter 2-Monk 2. Attack, Action Surge Attack, Nick, FOB.

I could be wrong on this. This is listening to some of the videos and interpreting what they said.

* Edit - After consideration I think you can get 4 attacks in a single round with a level 4 fighter if you start the turn holding 2 light weapons (one with nick) and have the Pole Arm Master feat: Attack - Nick - drop light weapons and pull out pole arm - action surge attack - PAM Bonus action attack. You could only do this the first round of combat though.

 

[pukunui]

On all single class characters except Fighters it is 2 attacks a round level 4 and under if using 2 light weapons. The only thing that changes is if you have Nick on one of the weapons you don't need to use a bonus action.

On a single class Fighter it is 2 attacks or 3 when you action surge.

If you multiclass you can buff this with one level in Monk OR 3 levels in Dance Bard or 3 levels in War Cleric along with a class that gets weapon mastery (Barbarian, Paladin, Fighter, Ranger, Rogue) you can get more.

If you have a 2+ Monk levels and the nick property and weapon mastery from a one level dip, you would get 3 attacks (action, nick attack, martial arts attack) or 4 attacks when you use FOB.

If you have 3 levels in dance bard plus one level for mastery you could get 3 attacks (action, nick, martial arts) if you used a bardic inspiration that turn

If you have 3 levels of War Cleric you could get 3 attacks (action, nick, war priest) a limited number of times.

I beleive the maximum number of attacks in a round at level 4 is 5 attacks on a Fighter 2-Monk 3. Attack, Action Surge Attack, Nick, FOB.

I could be wrong on this. This is listening to some of the videos and interpreting what they said.

That all seems correct to me.

It is particularly worth stressing that all the Nick mastery really does is remove the bonus action requirement for the off-hand Light weapon attack. It doesn't allow you to make two off-hand attacks (one with a bonus action and one without).

 

[DrJawaPhD]

From the playtest...

Under the Light weapon property, which Nick is modifying.

"When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a Light weapon, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action..."

... I could see some wiggle room with action surge though.

Ok yeah I see what you mean now, the key parsing is in the Light property (and previously was in Two-Weapon Fighting description), that it triggers when you take the attack action, not when you make an attack

Should work with Action Surge or with Haste spell though since those let you take another Attack Action.

 

[pukunui]

Ok yeah I see what you mean now, the key parsing is in the Light property (and previously was in Two-Weapon Fighting description), that it triggers when you take the attack action, not when you make an attack

Should work with Action Surge or with Haste spell though since those let you take another Attack Action.

How? You only get one bonus action per turn, regardless of how many Attack actions you can take on that turn.

I think it's clear that a Light property attack as a bonus action and a Nick mastery attack as a free action are mutually exclusive. You don't get both. It's one or the other. Nick just frees you up to take some other bonus action (if you're a rogue, that might be using Cunning Action to disengage).

There's simply nothing in the rules to suggest you can take more than one bonus action on your turn.

 

[DrJawaPhD]

How? You only get one bonus action per turn, regardless of how many Attack actions you can take on that turn.

I think it's clear that a Light property attack as a bonus action and a Nick mastery attack as a free action are mutually exclusive. You don't get both. It's one or the other. Nick just frees you up to take some other bonus action (if you're a rogue, that might be using Cunning Action to disengage).

There's simply nothing in the rules to suggest you can take more than one bonus action on your turn.

Yeah I didn't say anything about multiple bonus actions.

Let's assume a Level 2 Fighter without Extra Attack but does have Action Surge, using a Scimitar + Dagger:

• Attack Action to attack with Scimitar, use Nick property for free Dagger attack
• Action Surge
• Attack Action to attack with Scimitar, use bonus action for Dagger attack

I don't see anything in the rules preventing that.

 

[pukunui]

Yeah I didn't say anything about multiple bonus actions.

Let's assume a Level 2 Fighter without Extra Attack but does have Action Surge, using a Scimitar + Dagger:

• Attack Action to attack with Scimitar, use Nick property for free Dagger attack
• Action Surge
• Attack Action to attack with Scimitar, use bonus action for Dagger attack

I don't see anything in the rules preventing that.

I do. The wording of Nick makes it clear to me that Light and Nick are mutually exclusive. It's one or the other, not both. I've gone over this at length in another thread. I think this is how I will rule it, regardless of whether I am reading the RAW correctly or not.