D&D 4E Women in 4E

[Rechan]

A) Wildly and unecessarily sexualized covers (no WotC books fits into this catergory), because it makes it embarassing to bring the book out in public/mixed company. E.g. the old Exalted 2nd magic book, can't remember it's name. Was just... oy vey...

You mean this one?

 

[Nifft]

You mean this one?

HA HA HA HA HA!

Oh wow. I'd seen that image before but thought it was only a joke.

Thanks, -- N

 

[Rechan]

Okay. Link please?

It was a general comment. The argument's been all over the 4e boards though. Generally the bemoaning of how D&D is turning into anime because like in the Bo9S, you have fighters who are jumping through the air and throwing fireballs or something, and that's just not D&D fantasy.

 

[Rechan]

The same goes for the outfits worn by the Spartan men in 300, though. Except that was supposed to be based (somewhat) on reality.

The difference is that the Spartans aren't pretending to wear armor; they have none.

Having your boobs hang out of your Armor is pretending to wear it.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

You mean this one?

Yes. It's actually WORSE than I remembered, I see. Sigh. I remember thinking "I want that book's contents, but that cover... well, one vote's with one's pocket, eh?" and not buying it. I hadn't seen quite so "wank-material" in it's design since the early 1990s, on a cover, at least.

 

[Nifft]

The difference is that the Spartans aren't pretending to wear armor; they have none.

World's first heavy infantry. Yep.

Having your boobs hang out of your Armor is pretending to wear it.

I'm really not seeing the difference though. In both cases there are people who ought not be deriving an AC bonus from their outfits.

Again, as long as the particular silliness of their attire applies equally to male and female characters, what's the big deal?

-- N

 

[Nifft]

It was a general comment. The argument's been all over the 4e boards though. Generally the bemoaning of how D&D is turning into anime because like in the Bo9S, you have fighters who are jumping through the air and throwing fireballs or something, and that's just not D&D fantasy.

Oh, well in that case, I suggest you go back and look at how often my posts appear in those debates. Also, go back a bit farther and take a look at the "too video game" debates from when 3e was new.

-- N

 

[Ruin Explorer]

The same goes for the outfits worn by the Spartan men in 300, though. Except that was supposed to be based (somewhat) on reality.

As Rechan says, though, they didn't have "token" armour, they had none. Had they some sort of little "boob tube" armour on, though, that might have been vaguely comparable.

As for based on reality, the real Spartans of that period wore large bronze+leather breastplates, with nearly knee-length armour skirts, bronze greaves, and large, scary helmets, so anyone who said that was "based on reality" was probably very very confused.

Again, as long as the particular silliness of their attire applies equally to male and female characters, what's the big deal?

It never does though, does it? As we've been over about thirty times (literally) in this thread. Women are drawn to appeal to men, and men are drawn to appeal to men (and not in a homoerotic way, typically). Drawing men to appeal to women wouldn't result in the men all being "giant barbarian in tiny loincloth", as has been discussed many times already.

 

[Nifft]

As for based on reality, the real Spartans of that period wore large bronze+leather breastplates, with nearly knee-length armour skirts, bronze greaves, and large, scary helmets, so anyone who said that was "based on reality" was probably very very confused.

The events of the movie were based on reality. The outfits? Not so much.

Excusable because being able to see the actor's faces no doubt made the experience better for the audience -- just like interior helmet lights make space shows easier to follow.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Rechan]

Oh, well in that case, I suggest you go back and look at how often my posts appear in those debates. Also, go back a bit farther and take a look at the "too video game" debates from when 3e was new.

No thanks.

I know what my stance is. It's just different than yours. "Just because it's fantasy" isn't good enough.