D&D and the rising pandemic

[Dannyalcatraz]

My wife, getting over her bronchitis, is thinking about getting back to work. We are developing a pretty stringent sanitation plan.



Cufflinks? You could wipe those down easily enough. But yeah, clothing should all be stuff that can go immediately into the waching machine.

It’s less about the cufflinks, and more about the French cuffs themselves.

But his cufflinks aren’t all metal, ether. His collection is impressive in size & scope, including some of wood, cloth and even certain porous/delicate stones. Best to simply drop them out of the equation. One less thing to clean, if nothing else.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

That doesn't mean those suppliers should be open to the general public at this time.

If nothing else, it would be a difficult thing to police, not just practically, but legally.

A policy limiting # of customers inside at one time would be at least as effective and very easy to enforce.

 

[Zardnaar]

Yes. And if we say, "It could be worse," in the manner of being dismissive, it WILL BE worse.

The best way to make sure this turns into another 1918 is to discount how bad it could be, if we don't act properly.

I'm not discounting but I've looked at previous things to compare with. Also looking at foreign countries like Ecudor.

There's already signs of food shortages for a variety of reasons. Here it's flour, we have plenty of it but there's a shortage of packaging and resupply is 6 weeks away. Flour Mills are still running, the store houses are 90% full.

This is the start. Starvation won't be a problem here, hunger is going to be a problem in say USA. Starvation is shaping up to be a problem in India.

Latin America is going to be hard hit.

Someone's going to take a look at Italy with say 30k dead which is less than 1% dead and go screw it the virus will kill less than mass hunger and starvation.

And it's going to be the perfectly rational choice to do that.

With previous pandemics it's often not the virus that kills but the wars, hunger, starvation etc. Suicide here with mental health has killed more, one of wife's ex workmate lost his son last week to that. Girls were crying as early news was the workmate not son.

If we can't get a vaccine the herd immunity plan is going to be the next least bad option. We might have to beat it the old fashioned way due to a lack of options.

It's not going to burn out in the next month or two.

 

[Umbran]

If we can't get a vaccine the herd immunity plan is going to be the next least bad option.

You realize that there is no scientific evidence that there is "herd immunity" for this disease, right?

 

[Zardnaar]

You realize that there is no scientific evidence that there is "herd immunity" for this disease, right?

Yes, then we have to go with the next least bad option. No herd immunity, no vaccine, Covids recurring each year and/or in waves.

 

[FrogReaver]

You realize that there is no scientific evidence that there is "herd immunity" for this disease, right?

Is there evidence that herd immunity doesn’t work?

 

[Zardnaar]

Is there evidence that herd immunity doesn’t work?

We don't know if the virus will mutate.

There's no evidence herd immunity will work.

It's a bad choice because you might make it, suffer the shirt term effects and still deal with Covid recurring. It will likely work but it's far from certain. Assuming you're willing (or are forced to)

Keep an eye on Brazil. Ecudor and Mexico to see how it will work out, they're argueably done worse than the USA.

Worst case scenario is along the lines of no herd immunity, no vaccine.

 

[Theo R Cwithin]

Is there evidence that herd immunity doesn’t work?

I don't think anyone knows for sure one way or the other. So the more conservative assumption for now is that it does not work, and to act accordingly, until enough data has been collected/studied to know for sure.

 

[Umbran]

Is there evidence that herd immunity doesn’t work?

Not yet. The disease hasn't been around long enough for us to know.

"Herd immunity" is based on the population getting their immune systems exposed, and having long-lasting immunity to the disease after recovering from it. Not all diseases produce long-lasting immunity - it largely depends on what portions of the immune system get triggered by exposure. Some produce antibodies that you keep around almost forever, others don't. We don't generally get immunity to the various viruses that produce "the common cold", for example.

If we don't acquire immunity through exposure, then we have a year and more to wait for a vaccine to produce it artificially.

 

[Eltab]

You realize that there is no scientific evidence that there is "herd immunity" for this disease, right?

Where do you expect to get 'scientific evidence' on a scale of several weeks (to date)? Satisfying the exacting standards takes years.
Let's start with the data from experience so far - those dreaded anecdotes - and distill them into actionable information. We are going to have to "rule of thumb" it for a while, and keep updating (hopefully this also means 'improving') the database as time goes on.