D&D 5E Should 5e have more classes (Poll and Discussion)?

[Crimson Longinus]

Can I get your no overhaul at all answer? Should any classes we have today be straight up cut from 5e?

Umm, what? How is cutting a class not an overhaul? 'What would you change if you were not allowed to change anything?' doesn't seem like a sensible question to me.

 

[WayOfTheFourElements]

Just curious - Should the bard going off to bard college and the wizard having went through wizard school and the fighter going off to train in martial combat and the rogue learning his thieving also happen in-game and not in character creation?

What I'm trying to get at is, what is it about that particular power source that makes you want to actually treat it different than the others - because I believe the same criticism you made could be levied against most any class.

Nope. Just the warlocks. I like the idea of the warlock's powers coming at a great cost, which is not a path the class goes down. Nor is there a good way to blackmailing the warlock, threatening to revoke his powers or punishing him for his insolence, without railroading the player down a particular course of action.

 

[The Crimson Binome]

When people say we have too many classes in 5e, which would they want to see removed?

Warlock, druid, and sorcerer are the big three that have no reason to exist. Rangers are a close fourth.

Bards are borderline. You could easily salvage the concept, but as it stands, it's just another sorcerer.

 

[DND_Reborn]

Nope. Just the warlocks. I like the idea of the warlock's powers coming at a great cost, which is not a path the class goes down. Nor is there a good way to blackmailing the warlock, threatening to revoke his powers or punishing him for his insolence, without railroading the player down a particular course of action.

Which is another reason why IMO the idea of the warlock could easily be a subclass of Cleric. The three pacts (chain, blade, and tome) could be akin to the different animals of the totem warrior for barbarian or the options for hunter for rangers.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

Just curious - Should the bard going off to bard college and the wizard having went through wizard school and the fighter going off to train in martial combat and the rogue learning his thieving also happen in-game and not in character creation?

What I'm trying to get at is, what is it about that particular power source that makes you want to actually treat it different than the others - because I believe the same criticism you made could be levied against most any class.

Because how it usually plays out in the stories. Some evil nefarious being tempting a person with promises of power is often the focus of a story and them accepting that bargain is the central turning point. Having all that already having happened and skipping straight to having the power part is like jumping directly to the last chapter of the story. Also it is weird that an accomplished wizard couldn't be tempted with promises of diabolical power. I mean sure, I guess you could multiclass your wizard into a warlock to mechanically represent that, but it would just be a weird mess and frankly a bad deal.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

It's pretty interesting that the "We need more" crowd is definitely outnumbered by the "We have enough" group. 35.7% to 54.1%.

 

[WayOfTheFourElements]

Which is another reason why IMO the idea of the warlock could easily be a subclass of Cleric. The three pacts (chain, blade, and tome) could be akin to the different animals of the totem warrior for barbarian or the options for hunter for rangers.

Instead, I prefer Mephistopheles as an NPC who wanders from down to town, playing cards and tossing dice at the local taverns. When a desperate soul walks inside, he's always ready to offer a deal at a great price or in exchange for a unsavory favor.

 

[Minigiant]

Yes, except with broad classes it is unlikely that any forcing is needed.

You'd think so but not always. A lot of the old D&D settings are similiar just with the dials turned to different settings.

Well, first I would get rid of Bard... well, um, just because.

Actually I'd maybe keep the Bard. My thing is why is there only the magic of music? Where's the magic of dance or painting?
I wouldn't want a Dancer class to be a full caster like bard. Maybe a caster at all if if one is willing to make a mystical dance system.
Or a painter class that finally make locks down runes. It was paint magic all along.

 

[WayOfTheFourElements]

Actually I'd maybe keep the Bard. My thing is why is there only the magic of music? Where's the magic of dance or painting?
I wouldn't want a Dancer class to be a full caster like bard. Maybe a caster at all if if one is willing to make a mystical dance system.
Or a painter class that finally make locks down runes. It was paint magic all along.

Instead of vicious mockery, the dancing bard can take the cantrip distasteful strip tease. The artist bard can learn incomprehensible postmodernist garbage. The poet bard can take emo middle-school lymeric.


There once was a girl with a knife
who didn't cherish her life.
When depression set in,
she flayed her own skin
to immortalize all of her strife.

 

[DND_Reborn]

Instead, I prefer Mephistopheles as an NPC who wanders from down to town, playing cards and tossing dice at the local taverns. When a desperate soul walks inside, he's always ready to offer a deal at a great price or in exchange for a unsavory favor.

Which could still happen, even if Warlock became a subclass of Cleric. Most importantly, move the divine domain selection from level 1 to 3 like many of the other classes.

Actually I'd maybe keep the Bard. My thing is why is there only the magic of music?

Well, in our game, for the couple bards we've had, it was never music. One was a dwarven bard whose music was through is great oration. Truly inspiring! Another's was through the power of puns. I wish I could say it was good--but, you know how puns are--it wasn't.