D&D 5E What do you think should be done with alignment?

[RuinousPowers]

Incidentally, why no option for the Holmes Basic/1e Monster Manual five-alignment system (CE/CG/LE/LG/N)?

Maybe they thought 4e's covered that?

 

[teitan]

Right. A masked vigilante that works outside the law is lawful... This is why alignment is meaningless nonsense. Anyone can justify why basically anyone is any alignment. It's just a Rorschach test that doesn't convey any actual information.

Depends on genre, Superman is Lawful Good, Cyclops is Lawful Good, Captain America. You make a pointless argument because it breaks down based on the genre. Batman is Lawful Good. He doesn't work outside the law. Lawful Good is not necessarily man's LAW. If it is legal to kill beggars in the street is it Neutral Good to not kill Beggars in the streets? No, Lawful good would be to change or bend that law to benefit the majority. You've done exactly what I mentioned to justify your argument, turned alignment into a straight jacket of behavior rather than the wiggle room it actually implies. Lawful Good is not Superman and only Superman. Lancelot is an example of Lawful Good, but so is Galahad. Gawain, even in his failure with the Green Knight, is an example of Lawful Good. Batman, with his personal code, he works with the police, he bends the law as needed in pursuit of making Gotham, society, a better place in the same way Superman, the SYMBOL of Lawful Good, bends the law to protect Metropolis. Batman is just, as I said, a jack ass. Wolverine though, no regard for the law, he's chaotic good incarnate. Thor is Chaotic Good, he shirks his duties, though he still feels bound to them, he will toss them aside for a grand adventure and easily toss the crown to another. While loyal to Asgard and a true prince or King, he is not his father, Odin. Aquaman, Lawful Good. Wonder Woman, NEUTRAL GOOD. Whatever does the most good, except in 1984, then she is kinda selfish and creepy.

Law represents civilization and progress and Good represents Justice. Chaos is the wild and entropic, breaking down, while Chaotic Good would be attempting to live with that entropic nature and the wild to benefits one's self and other. Batman-Wolverine.

 

[teitan]

ok I wanted to point out that LG people shouldn't use stealth or Hide in Shadows, because that may lead to confusion to " only the good die young "
look if you dare at the Thief from older Editions : He couldn't be LG ( am I wrong ? )

The ranger could. There was also a 1e class, in Dragon, that was designed as a thief that could be LG, the Scout.

 

[Cadence]

Incidentally, why no option for the Holmes Basic/1e Monster Manual five-alignment system (CE/CG/LE/LG/N)?

I, uhm, hadn't thought of it.

 

[teitan]

You know who describes the classic alignment system really well? Palladium. Then you will understand Batman. Quit thinking about his class and abilities. That's your straight jacket.

 

[le Redoutable]

Depends on genre, Superman is Lawful Good, Cyclops is Lawful Good, Captain America. You make a pointless argument because it breaks down based on the genre. Batman is Lawful Good. He doesn't work outside the law. Lawful Good is not necessarily man's LAW. If it is legal to kill beggars in the street is it Neutral Good to not kill Beggars in the streets? No, Lawful good would be to change or bend that law to benefit the majority. You've done exactly what I mentioned to justify your argument, turned alignment into a straight jacket of behavior rather than the wiggle room it actually implies. Lawful Good is not Superman and only Superman. Lancelot is an example of Lawful Good, but so is Galahad. Gawain, even in his failure with the Green Knight, is an example of Lawful Good. Batman, with his personal code, he works with the police, he bends the law as needed in pursuit of making Gotham, society, a better place in the same way Superman, the SYMBOL of Lawful Good, bends the law to protect Metropolis. Batman is just, as I said, a jack ass. Wolverine though, no regard for the law, he's chaotic good incarnate. Thor is Chaotic Good, he shirks his duties, though he still feels bound to them, he will toss them aside for a grand adventure and easily toss the crown to another. While loyal to Asgard and a true prince or King, he is not his father, Odin. Aquaman, Lawful Good. Wonder Woman, NEUTRAL GOOD. Whatever does the most good, except in 1984, then she is kinda selfish and creepy.

Law represents civilization and progress and Good represents Justice. Chaos is the wild and entropic, breaking down, while Chaotic Good would be attempting to live with that entropic nature and the wild to benefits one's self and other. Batman-Wolverine.

you make good points, but are a little arrogant ( if you permit the correction )
you should make water in your wine
( but perhaps time is limited )

 

[billd91]

The debate over Batman tells me that people really twist themselves into rendering alignment meaningless.

 

[Maxperson]

Why is he lawful? He's a vigilante that really only bows to his own authority, doesn't play well with others, doesn't work within a system or society, and primarily acts for his own vengeful purposes. To me, that says chaos.

He's too focused and orderly with his life, personal code and behaviors.

 

[teitan]

you make good points, but are a little arrogant ( if you permit the correction )
you should make water in your wine
( but perhaps time is limited )

Uh huh... I follow you up to "good points", the rest seems unnecessary or doesn't make any sense at all. Have a good day.

 

[teitan]

He's too focused and orderly with his life, personal code and behaviors.

He be a MONK. All the 1e arguments about thieves and crap are missing the Monk... requires Lawful alignment, if you want to get into that whole "class" mess with comic book characters that do not fit the D&D archetypes. D&D is its own subgenre of fantasy.