D&D General why do we not have an armourless half caster?

[Vaalingrade]

Remember how all tech a couple years ago skipped 9 to get to 10 so they could put X's on their packages?

No way WotC is going to not use the 5 for the 50th anniversary.

 

[Mind of tempest]

Remember how all tech a couple years ago skipped 9 to get to 10 so they could put X's on their packages?

No way WotC is going to not use the 5 for the 50th anniversary.

what about 5.5 that adds another five to the title?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

It's baked into the balance of the class and it's quite a power loss to not make one, that's the issue.

Speaking of someone who has played one, it doesn't make much difference in a fight. It's more useful if you want to send something expendable on a suicide mission. The Battle Smith is really good at whacking things with overlarge swords though. Small characters can also ride it.

But It's clear a lot of players aren't very good at refluffing subclasses to fit the desired theme.

If you wanted to do a JRPG setting book, you could do several different versions of a magic melee character with subclasses for ranger, artificer and monk* (and maybe even sorcerer). Add in a bunch of Wooble-Sword-Strike type spells (with advice for the DM to limit their availably, like dunamancy spells), some special gear, and you are there. But you need to start with a well-defined character theme, not a perceived gap in mechanics.



*I agree with you that this base class needs a complete do-over though.

 

[Parmandur]

it has nowhere near the resource pool to qualify nor a sufficient spell list, the eldrich knight has more and they are certainly not half casters.

There is only one relevant resource pool, Spell Slots, and Monks have the same number as Paladins or Rangers.

 

[Vaalingrade]

what about 5.5 that adds another five to the title?

Has to be Fifty.

Wouldn't be shocked if they call it 5.0, ignoring all rules for this sort of thing.

 

[Mind of tempest]

There is only one relevant resource pool, Spell Slots, and Monks have the same number as Paladins or Rangers.

they literally have no spell slots or unique spells unless you want to start counting abilities that cost resources as a spell and that would be insane.

Has to be Fifty.

Wouldn't be shocked if they call it 5.0, ignoring all rules for this sort of thing.

likely.

 

[Parmandur]

they literally have no spell slots or unique spells unless you want to start counting abilities that cost resources as a spell and that would be insane.

Ki points are just reskinned Spell Slots, as already established they track precisely to those of a Paladin and Rsnger. And it is not at all insane to consider Ki abilities as Spells, since they are costed out as such using the DMG guidelines. Mechanically, it's an exact equivalent with a fluffy reskin for flavor purposes.

 

[Mind of tempest]

Ki points are just reskinned Spell Slots, as already established they track precisely to those of a Paladin and Rsnger. And it is not at all insane to consider Ki abilities as Spells, since they are costed out as such using the DMG guidelines. Mechanically, it's an exact equivalent with a fluffy reskin for flavor purposes.

it lacks upcasting and if that is the case why did we not get a psion using it?

 

[Parmandur]

it lacks upcasting and if that is the case why did we not get a psion using it?

Why not get a Psion doing that, indeed! How many Paladin or Ranger Spells benefit from upcasting...?

At Level 10, a Ranger or Paladin gets 27 Spell Points per day, while a Monk gets 30 Ki points (10 with 2 Short Rests in a day assumed by the designers, imagine that will change in 2024). The Ki abilities are priced exactly like Spells in the DMG, to boot.

 

[Mind of tempest]

Why not get a Psion doing that, indeed! How many Paladin or Ranger Spells benefit from upcasting...?

At Level 10, a Ranger or Paladin gets 27 Spell Points per day, while a Monk gets 30 Ki points (10 with 2 Short Rests in a day assumed by the designers, imagine that will change in 2024). The Ki abilities are priced exactly like Spells in the DMG, to boot.

you act like most people even get short rests you rest on the spell caster's time and you know it.