D&D (2024) Eye Tyrant. Who Died and Made You Gygax?? Design Your Own D&D 2024X3.

[Horwath]

I guess I don't see much difference between feat trees and classes.

classes are pre-picked feat trees that players have no choice in.

 

[Jaiken]

The only thing I would do is make a PC dog race/races.

 

[Scribe]

There is a reason why Shadowdark new Kickstarters have a butt load of new class and races.

Because it's dead simple, and there are 50+ years of ancestry and class options in addition to tropes across dozens of genres.

 

[mellored]

classes are pre-picked feat trees that players have no choice in.

You can just pick a different class (i.e. multiclass) same as you can start at the bottom of a different tree.

There is also the issue that most feat combination will be traps. So you just end up with an llusion of choice, and a lot of extra work to figure out all the combination.

 

[Zardnaar]

thread topic deja-vu

...how are 'make the most money' and 'only has to appeal to you' not mutually exclusive goals?

Different products sorry. OP may not have been clear.

 

[Zardnaar]

1. increase DC to 10+prof+ability.

2. merge abilities STR and CON to need Fort save, Dex is Ref save, int, wis and cha is Will save

3.
Fort: STR+CON mod
Ref: DEX+INT mod
WILL: WIS+CHA mod

every class is proficient with one save, feat gives +1 ASI and proficiency in another.

I'm doing primary casters get 1 save, half casters 2, martials 3.

 

[payn]

Late to the party but id focus on a line of modules like what was talked about in NEXT. Alignment, tactical combat, social interaction, domain management, etc..

 

[EzekielRaiden]

Honestly I want to see @EzekielRaiden 's game.

Well thank you! I consider this rather high praise.

 

[Scribe]

Well thank you! I consider this rather high praise.

I appreciate a vision backed by passion and consideration.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

Because it's dead simple, and there are 50+ years of ancestry and class options in addition to tropes across dozens of genres.

Yeah, it's...not hard to build a ton of subclasses and ancestries because both of those things are relatively thin in 5e terms. Ancestries especially.

This is one of the reasons why I would prefer to have a unified system of character stuff: you have your Heroic Origin, which leads to your Paragon Path, and concludes with your Epic Destiny. Heroic Origin would combine 4e and 5e Backgrounds and 4e Themes, plus Ancestry and Culture, to define where a particular character came from, why they adventure, what they value. Novice levels could make this something you construct as you go, rather than arriving all in one chunk*: Novice characters haven't had their Heroic Origin yet, while 1st-level characters have done that. Novice characters are still "green"; 1st-level chars have their start under their belt, they're no longer tenderfoots, they're at least a little experienced.

There would be several obvious pre-packaged Origins, but players who want to customize would be encouraged to do so. Maybe you're an Elf (ancestry) raised by Dwarves (culture) on a pirate ship (background) who worked as the ship "windfinder" (theme)--a highly unusual combination but one that provides a ton of richness. Then you steal 13A's idea of a mix of class-based and ancestry-based stat boosts to seal the deal of "your education matters, but your physiology still shapes you."

*This is part of why novice levels are so incredibly useful. They manage to serve two different masters: OSR-type fans who want the distilled zero-to-hero experience, and brand-new players who benefit from a steady, measured pace of option growth while having enough of a cushion to make (and learn from) mistakes without having to lose a character in the doing.