D&D Movie/TV Joe Manganiello: Dragonlance TV Show No Longer In Development

Shardstone · Feb 8, 2024

mamba said:
if you think that priest and his followers are good, you have a very twisted definition of good. Enslaving entire species is not exactly considered good by most people, a police state where you can be arrested for thought-crimes does not rank all that highly either...

It's not that i think he's too good, it's that the whole situation around him, the gods, the idea of good in the setting, etc, to me just isn't really doing anything that makes coherent sense to me. Maybe it's because I didn't grow up with the Dragonlance materials that I don't "see it," but I really don't understand how any heroic character can look at the Cataclysm and say "This was the right decision by the gods."

mamba · Feb 8, 2024

Shardstone said:
What, in typical Dragonlance, can be done that FR can't do?

granted, not much, but what can FR do that any generic fantasy setting cannot as well, I am not seeing much of an argument here, it's a fantasy setting for fantasy stories. If anything DL is less generic as a backdrop than FR would be.

Not sure how relevant that is though, Game of Thrones is rather generic medieval fantasy too and it was a huge success. For something more out there they could use Dark Sun, but we already know that WotC won't do that

Retreater · Feb 8, 2024

My wife and I watched the LotR extended edition trilogy last month during a snowed-in weekend. She's of a different generation than me (she's a Millennial and I'm GenX - 14 year age gap) and grew up with different stories. I had Star Wars, she had Harry Potter.
We had a lengthy discussion about LotR. "How can this be considered a great fantasy story?" she asked. "There's no important women in the story. No one other than white men. Great fantasy should be able to be anybody's fantasy."
So maybe there's something to be said that the ideas of Dragonlance may not appeal to younger audiences. My wife is at the "upper end" of the growing target audience of WotC.
I can tell you that she loved Honor Among Thieves and its more modern take on fantasy. I'd suggest she probably prefers it to LotR. She's currently reading a novel with a female protagonist inspired by Nigerian mythology. And while she grew up with adventure stories by Michael Crichton and Clive Clusser, she's found she can't go back to them.

mamba · Feb 8, 2024

Shardstone said:
It's not that i think he's too good, it's that the whole situation around him, the gods, the idea of good in the setting, etc, to me just isn't really doing anything that makes coherent sense to me. Maybe it's because I didn't grow up with the Dragonlance materials that I don't "see it," but I really don't understand how any heroic character can look at the Cataclysm and say "This was the right decision by the gods."

well, we have a rather similar event in some of our religions too and the God causing them is considered good, so there is that

Shardstone · Feb 8, 2024

mamba said:
granted, not much, but what can FR do that any generic fantasy setting cannot as well, I am not seeing much of an argument here, it's a fantasy setting for fantasy stories. If anything DL is less generic as a backdrop than FR would be.

Not sure how relevant that is though, Game of Thrones is rather generic medieval fantasy too and it was a huge success. For something more out there they could use Dark Sun, but we already know that WotC won't do that

The problem isn't generic, the problem is presentation. I go over this a lot in my last few posts in this thread but to be abundantly clear, I think that Dragonlance would need a massive facelift to be attractive to a large audience in our contemporary day and age. I do not think the original books are that interesting of a story anymore, and I think FR has a lot more interesting, unique tidbits then Dragonlance by a massive mile. A kitchen sink like FR will always be more interesting then a very constrictive medieval setting like Dragonlance because in FR I can go to White Plume Mountain or fight illithids in spaceships above Baldur's Gate, while in Dragonlance I can bully gully dwarves and travel around with the white savior Goldmoon.

Divine2021 · Feb 8, 2024

Shardstone said:
If I wanted to play Lord of the RIngs, I'd play Lord of the Rings. If I wanted to play generic Fantasy, I'd play Forgotten Realms. And there isn't much in Dragonlance that speaks to Lord of the Rings' appeal imo.

I'll be honest, no one is talking about your son in this thread and no one cares about your son either. It's great that he likes the Dragonlance books. Seriously, I mean that. But let's not pretend what I'm saying is some slight against your son. He has not and never will matter to me or the points I'm making.

You make blanket statements about how DL couldn’t work today, or appeal to today’s yoots, and I just said my son liked it. I also pointed out he’s a stupid kid. And frankly, why would I want some internet rando with bad takes to be invested in my son? That’s weird dude.

Shardstone · Feb 8, 2024

mamba said:
well, we have a rather similar event in some of our religions too and the God causing them is considered good, so there is that

I can't reply to this in depth without getting a mod note, but I could write a series of books on why a lot of the things you're referencing are disgusting and shouldn't be praised as good.

Divine2021 · Feb 8, 2024

Shardstone said:
I can't reply to this in depth without getting a mod note, but I could write a series of books on why a lot of the things you're referencing are disgusting and shouldn't be praised as good.

Maybe you should step away from the thread then if you’re on the cusp of insulting someone for having a different opinion than you.

Shardstone · Feb 8, 2024

Divine2021 said:
You make blanket statements about how DL couldn’t work today, or appeal to today’s yoots, and I just said my son liked it. I also pointed out he’s a stupid kid. And frankly, why would I want some internet rando with bad takes to be invested in my son? That’s weird dude.

Man you brought your son up and tried to make him the focal point of the conversation. Don't call people weird for them telling you that they don't care about your son. Did you not get that from my last post? That I do not care about your son? Should I go back to my previous post and bold/italicize where I said this so that you get the point? And it's disgusting that you tried to turn this around back on me.

Divine2021 · Feb 8, 2024

Shardstone said:
Man you brought your son up and tried to make him the focal point of the conversation. Don't call people weird for them telling you that they don't care about your son. Did you not get that from my last post? That I do not care about your son? Should I go back to my previous post and bold/italicize where I said this so that you get the point? And it's disgusting that you tried to turn this around back on me.

Well akshully dude, you said “Dragonlance, IMO, was never a setting that would capture the imagine of post 2000s (and especially post 2010s) Fantasy youth OR adults who are just now coming into the Fantasy genre.” In response, I just pointed out that my son, who was born in 2012 and is a lovable idiot, loves DL. You made a blanket statement about “the kids these days” and got called out and challenged on it. And you keep insulting people who have a different opinion than you. That’s just silly. No one insulted you, you’re just being really weird about people disagreeing with you.

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