BattleStar Galactica:Season 3.0--12/08/06--Arc 9

Human Gods = Greek Gods
Cylon Gods = Roman Gods

The implication were that they worshiped the same gods but had different names for them.

At least thats what I got from it.
 

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From Wikipedia...
The Hybrids resemble human beings inside an immersion tank similar to a Cylon rebirthing tank. The Hybrids do not have a completely human body, but rather appear to be more like cyborgs, consisting of conduits and other connectors mated to, or in place of elements of their bodies. The Hybrid is not one of the "twelve models" of humanoid Cylon, but is a separate model that effectively further bridges the gap from fully mechanical Centurion, to partially biomechanical Raider, to Hybrid, to humanoid Cylon. They are similar to the autonomous biomechanical pilots within Raiders, specially constructed as living computers that manage the autonomic functions of the basestar, including navigation and FTL jumps, climate control, and the like. The Hybrids are so integrated into the basestar's functionality that they are, for all practical purposes, the basestar.

In addition, she continually speaks what most of the humanoid Cylons consider to be gibberish, although there is some difference of opinion on this point. Many Cylons believe a hybrid's conscious mind is completely mad and the functions one performs are part of a deeper state of mind in connection with the ship. Caprica Number Six states that the Leoben Conoy models believe that every word she says is channeled from the Cylon god. The Hybrid is not allowed a vote in the Cylon democratic process by the humanoids, though she sometimes objects to the course of action they take, for example, leaving another Basestar full of disease-infected Cylons to their fates.[1]

In his Battlestar Galactica Podcast, Ronald Moore explained that the Hybrids should be considered a "Model 0" of humanoid Cylons, an intermediate step between humanoid and mechanical model Cylons.​

Baltar, who considered a brilliant scientist, probably deals in abstraction physics, and his ability to interpret the Hybrid's 'gibberish', could be considered a cakewalk for him. Or (if possible) being a possible Cylon (no affirmation as of yet), he can understand period. :D

And the Hybird as mentioned above. is indeed of importance. And please note this...they are not subject to the privilege of resurrection.




Arnwyn said:
Which was what? (Honest question.) I didn't really get what chick-in-the-tank (and what's her point, again? Something about the computer that calculates jumps? Or is it something more than that... seems pretty inefficient, whatever she is) was mumbling about, and I didn't really follow Baltar's "translation". (During that conversation, Three also mentioned something about how the cylon god and human gods were somehow connected, but I didn't understand how she came to that line of thought.)

Could anyone provide a synopsis/explanation for those of us who don't really get the mysticism mumbo-jumbo of BSG?

(And yeah - Starbuck makes BSG a little less enjoyable to watch. Hate her.)
 

I'm pretty sure the Cylons have not been retconned to be pantheonists. It seems since the "Eye of Jupiter" is referenced in ancient texts, the colonists have used both sets of names, but this specific location or artifact has always been known as the Eye of Jupiter rather than the Eye of Zeus.

From what Baltar said, he seemed to believe the hybrid was referring to the Eye as an artifact or location on a planet in a dense star cluster. Three seemed to focus more on the Hybrid's reference to colonian deities pointing out a possible connection between the human gods and the cylon God.
 

BrooklynKnight said:
Human Gods = Greek Gods
Cylon Gods = Roman Gods

The implication were that they worshiped the same gods but had different names for them.

At least thats what I got from it.
No, this isn't correct. The cylons have made it perfectly clear that they are monotheistic (and consider polytheism to be blasphemous).

Truth Seeker said:
From Wikipedia...
Cool! Thanks, Truth Seeker. I had no idea stuff like that pops up on Wikipedia so fast (or is even considered "notable"). Thanks again.

Now, if I could just understand what the heck the hybrid and Baltar were talking about, I'd be golden. It was all gibberish to me.
 

Arnwyn said:
Which was what? (Honest question.) I didn't really get what chick-in-the-tank (and what's her point, again? Something about the computer that calculates jumps? Or is it something more than that... seems pretty inefficient, whatever she is) was mumbling about, and I didn't really follow Baltar's "translation". (During that conversation, Three also mentioned something about how the cylon god and human gods were somehow connected, but I didn't understand how she came to that line of thought.)

Could anyone provide a synopsis/explanation for those of us who don't really get the mysticism mumbo-jumbo of BSG?
The "Hybrid" ("chick in the tank") is essentially "Model 0" of the humanoid cylons, an intermediate stage in their development between mechanical and biological life. The Hybrid is a genetically engineered humanoid body that is heavily cyborged and interfaced with computers and kept in a life support tank, it acts as the central computer of a Cylon Base Ship. In formal voting among the Cylon models for making major decisions, the Hybrid does not get a vote as one of the 12 models, but its opinion is listened to and considered. Some Cylons consider the random babbling of the Hybrid to be oracular, and they are hearing the word of their God, but most consider it the random gibberish of a mind that is crazed by being constantly interfaced to supercomputers.

The Colonials are pantheists who worship the Greco-Roman deities (they have used both Greek and Roman names, but the Greek ones far more often). The Cylons are monotheists who it has been implied worship the Abrahamic deity (some of their quotes on Cylon scripture and doctrine have been paraphrased from real-world abrahamic texts).

The speculation of Baltar and his Cylon friend was that there is some tie between the two deities, or they are somehow the same or related. Notably, a scene cut for time from "Kobol's Last Gleaming" telling the story of the human exodus said that the fall of civilization on Kobol came when one god wished to be elevated above all others, causing strife and civil war among humanity and the gods. The "Athena" copy of Sharon also mentioned on Kobol when they were planetside that the Cylons have a lot more information about what happened there than the Colonials do.

Both sides have deities that apparently answer prayers and grant prophecies. The Prophecy of Pythia has been very accurate in describing the colonials actions, and the oracle on New Caprica was quite accurate as well. Baltar's praying to the Cylon God has resulted in virtually miraculous turns of fate for him, and the Cylons apparently can have visions to (when they download).

While there is a significant amount of mysticism in BSG, there was actually far more in the old one. Literally angels and devils appeared and were recurring characters. This is just another aspect of old BSG that got redone in the new edition.

Oh, and personally, I love (new) Starbuck, she's a highlight of the show for me. Old Starbuck was a two-dimensional Han Solo clone, the new one is the same roguish starfighter pilot, but made a lot more realistic, three dimensional, and believable as a person.
 

wingsandsword said:
Oh, and personally, I love (new) Starbuck, she's a highlight of the show for me. Old Starbuck was a two-dimensional Han Solo clone, the new one is the same roguish starfighter pilot, but made a lot more realistic, three dimensional, and believable as a person.

I agree. Although I get pissed at her, it is because I like her as a character. Rather than just being all cocky for no reason, we see her as a flawed person...there is a reason for her attitude.

Which is, I think, one of the top ongoing themes of BSG...people are flawed. Adama has made many poor choices, Apollo also. Everyone is flawed and yet they have to keep trusting each other and getting the job done despite those flaws.

I thought this was an excellent episode. It my be the first time my wife has ever cried while watching SciFi.
 

wingsandsword said:
Oh, and personally, I love (new) Starbuck, she's a highlight of the show for me. Old Starbuck was a two-dimensional Han Solo clone, the new one is the same roguish starfighter pilot, but made a lot more realistic, three dimensional, and believable as a person.

I agree on every point.
 

Oh, and personally, I love (new) Starbuck, she's a highlight of the show for me. Old Starbuck was a two-dimensional Han Solo clone, the new one is the same roguish starfighter pilot, but made a lot more realistic, three dimensional, and believable as a person.
Different strokes for different folks. I don't see her as a roguish starfighter pilot - she's just an ass who uses her rough life as an excuse to be mean, pushy and judgemental to everyone else until someone dies or gets hurt and then realization suddenly hits her and she gets all weepy. After the first couple of times you think she'd learn - but she doesn't and that got old real fast IMO. If they killed off her character I wouldn't miss her at all.

Oh, and Nice avatar Wormwood - I'll have to go see if I can find Rock & Rule on DVD now.
 

My major question is why does Kat have to die? A very small amount of Cylon blood was able to cure Laura's Terminal Cancer.

Couldn't regular transfusions to of Sharon's blood, help keep Kat alive.
 

I thought it was one of the rarely bad episodes. It didn't make much sense. They could have found a way to manage without sending all the ships through, and it was not trivial that some ships were lost. It just made no sense that they didn't try and think it through and just went charging in with such a messy plan. Not to mention much of the rest of the plot seemed messy.
 

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