Billie Piper to quit Dr Who

Flexor the Mighty! said:
P.S. Henry...Ace? Ace? God she was only slightly better than Mel. I really hated Ace and Doc #7. :)

Hey, she loved to carry a baseball bat and blow :):):):) up all the time! How can you not love that? :) Mel I never got to see much of -- I saw more of Ace than Mel, and totally ignored Peter Davison and Colin Baker -- they were not Tom Baker, and that's what made the difference.

One thing I like about Eccleston was the eccentricity; I think he got involved more than you state, and he was just as quick to call people out on their bull as the Baker-era Doctor was.

Which makes me wonder: Who decides what "personality" a Doctor will have, and do they take the actor into account when doing so? I'd love to know more about it.
 

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Flexor the Mighty! said:
Tennent is a exponentially better Doctor...
I agree with this part, anyway. Eccleston was fine, a nice re-introduction (as Tom Baker was my primary reference), but I really like Tennent as the Doctor. Fantastic energy.

However, I think he's great with Rose so far, really great chemistry, so am concerned about what will come.
 


Cthulhudrew said:
From what I understood previously, the plan was that Jack would only be on Torchwood's first season, and that he'd be back as a companion in season 3 of Doctor Who (since he was originally going to be back in 2, but couldn't for scheduling reasons). So possibly, he could be back.

Would make sense. Torchwood's starting in a couple of months, just after the current Doctor Who finishes, so the shooting schedules line up nicely. Torchwood then finishes in time for the Christmas special.

Maybe this: Combined Doctor Who/Torchwood Christmas special where Jack rejoins the doctor, with a new female companion joining in the new series next year. I don't think we'll see a new one this series.
 

Flexor the Mighty! said:
P.S. Henry...Ace? Ace? God she was only slightly better than Mel. I really hated Ace and Doc #7. :)

Agreed!

Fast Learner said:
agree with this part, anyway. Eccleston was fine, a nice re-introduction (as Tom Baker was my primary reference), but I really like Tennent as the Doctor. Fantastic energy.

Agreed!
 

Umbran said:
Only watched the first season so far. I think you are right, in that Micky seemed like a pretty real person. Unfortunately, he was also annoying as all get out.
QFFT. I really wanted him to get disintegrated, or eaten, or just run over by a truck. x.x
 


Yikes. A little spoliery here. Ah, well. I can't stay ignorant forever, I guess.

My frame of reference is just the first season. I've really liked Rose, and I find her quite appealing, although I can gather why some wouldn't.

We've mentioned how Eccleston was a good "transition" Doctor--I actually think he was better than that, but that's just my assessment--but I think it's interesting to consider Rose as a kind of "transition" companion for the Doctor. I would say that in the classic series, companions were almost always (except for the companion *you* really liked, of course :) ) more or less plot devices and exposition expounders. Some stayed for a long time (Sarah Jane, e.g.); some came and went rather quickly; but for the most part they all served to highlight how cool the Doctor was, to get captured, to ask the Doctor questions that the viewer might have, and so on. Seems like we rarely learned much about any of them. We might've known Leela's "savage" background, or that Ian was a schoolteacher, or that Ace was a bit of a rebel (just to cover the gamut here), but they seemed more like static characters, if you'll forgive me, frozen in time. They rarely developed much--they often were just the same the last episode they were in as the first one. (OK, of course there are some exceptions here--Turlough's probably one, and Adric obviously had something happen to him, but I think the general principle holds.)

Like it or not, Rose has probably gotten more character development than all the classic series companions combined, and she's emerged as a character in her own right, not just a plot device. She's helped develop the Doctor's character, which has seemed more mutable than earlier Doctors, and it's felt like she has an interior life; she's not just an extension of the Doctor. I, for one, have been more than glad to have her around.
 

I don't really see much development from episode to episode. Sure they show her home life, worst aspect of the show IMO, but has Rose really changed much? Things happen to her but I don't know if it impact how her character behaves much.

To me Series 1/27 was the Rose Show, guest starring Doctor Who. A Doctor who was not particularly effective either. The majority of the time Rose or a bit character did the real work while he was just there. The current season is much more like Doctor Who as I like it, though still with a few really badly written episodes.
 

Flexor the Mighty! said:
To me Series 1/27 was the Rose Show, guest starring Doctor Who. A Doctor who was not particularly effective either. The majority of the time Rose or a bit character did the real work while he was just there. The current season is much more like Doctor Who as I like it, though still with a few really badly written episodes.

I agreed with this at first, but after a little thought I now disagree. Since the doctor nearly always "saves the day", it's very noticeable when he doesn't. Think about which stories could have be written with any other companion in mind:

Rose: No
End of the World: Yes
Unquiet Dead: Yes, but the Doctor's role is minor in this one
Aliens of London/WW III: Yes
Dalek: Yes
The Long Game: Yes
Father's Day: No
The Empty Child/Doctor Dances: Yes, but Captain Jack shares the glory
Boomtown: Yes
Bad Wolf/Parting of Ways: No (unless the ending is changed)

So, three stories are Rose specific, and in two others the Doctor is not the major character. That still leaves half the series focussed on the Doctor.
 

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