Converting Epic Level Beings

[BOZ]

d'oh! i didn't even think about those guys... haven't read the ELH very often.

maybe the greater titans are between the regular and elder titans? or maybe they are the elder titans? let me go read...

 

[Shade]

BTW, the stats I posted included the changes from the 3.5 Conversion Guide (in case your results vary while reading).

 

[BOZ]

some differences, but not that much. well, after having a look at the elder titan in the ELH, i've concluded that they are way more powerful than what i'm thinking of. i was considering HD's in the 30's-60's range for our greater titans. so i'm going to consider these elder titans the "granddaddies" of these beings, who are so remote now that they don't even interact with the world around them.

check that out - 70HD but they had the CR at only 30, and the audacity to lower it to 25? i dunno, but i think one of those guys could whup a demon lord pretty easily.

so, let's use the elder titan and normal titan as examples, and put our guys somewhere in between.

 

[Shade]

Yeah, those guys could beat the snot out of most creatures.

I like your idea of somewhere in the middle between the titans and elder titans.

 

[Shade]

Having reviewed the conversion guide, I realize I made a mistake. It is still CR 30. I'm not sure where I got 25 from.

Some thoughts:

The MM titan is Huge. The guys in the doc file are 100 feet tall. Should we first advance the standard titan to Colossal to get its baseline stats?

The MM titan has spell resistance of CR + 11. The elder has CR + 10. I'd vote we stick with CR + 11.

The MM titan has damage reduction 15/lawful . The elder has 20/epic. Should we meet halfway with 15/epic and lawful? What about Prometheus, who is neutral good? Maybe 15/epic and evil?

The elder titan has a +24 insight bonus to AC. The MM titan has none. Maybe we can give our guys +12?

 

[BOZ]

Having reviewed the conversion guide, I realize I made a mistake. It is still CR 30. I'm not sure where I got 25 from.

quite allright.

Some thoughts:

The MM titan is Huge. The guys in the doc file are 100 feet tall. Should we first advance the standard titan to Colossal to get its baseline stats?

i'm thinking about the possibility of cutting these guys in half, actually. (unless the legends actually say they are supposed to be 100 feet tall - wouldn't want to mess with mythology!) that way, most would be between the two types in size as well as power. wise, or not?

The MM titan has spell resistance of CR + 11. The elder has CR + 10. I'd vote we stick with CR + 11.

works for me.

The MM titan has damage reduction 15/lawful. The elder has 20/epic. Should we meet halfway with 15/epic and lawful? What about Prometheus, who is neutral good? Maybe 15/epic and evil?

errr... no. by adding "and" to DR, that actually makes it more powerful. "epic and lawful" is more powerful than "epic" because while my +6 longsword will fully affect an elder titan, it will do 15 less points of damage to a greater titan.

The elder titan has a +24 insight bonus to AC. The MM titan has none. Maybe we can give our guys +12?

we'll see. i'll support an insight bonus, but i would rather key it to wisdom than a set value.

 

[Shade]

i'm thinking about the possibility of cutting these guys in half, actually. (unless the legends actually say they are supposed to be 100 feet tall - wouldn't want to mess with mythology!) that way, most would be between the two types in size as well as power. wise, or not?

I did a Google search, but couldn't find any sizes for these guys. At 50 feet, they'd at least be Gargantuan, so we may still want to advance a basic titan first. Personally, I'd like to see them all be Colossal, maybe 70 feet tall or so.

errr... no. by adding "and" to DR, that actually makes it more powerful. "epic and lawful" is more powerful than "epic" because while my +6 longsword will fully affect an elder titan, it will do 15 less points of damage to a greater titan.

Oops! Good point, way too powerful. Perhaps 15/epic, then?

we'll see. i'll support an insight bonus, but i would rather key it to wisdom than a set value.

Fair enough.

 

[BOZ]

I did a Google search, but couldn't find any sizes for these guys. At 50 feet, they'd at least be Gargantuan, so we may still want to advance a basic titan first. Personally, I'd like to see them all be Colossal, maybe 70 feet tall or so.

it's something to think about. maybe some mythology experts are hanging around somewhere...

 

[Clifford]

Here is a quick little Stat block for a minimuly powerful colosal titan.

Advanced titan: CR 24; colossal outsider ; HD 31d8+434; hp 573; Init +1; Spd 60 ft.; AC 24, touch 3, flat-footed 23; Base Atk +31; Grp +67; Atk by weapon ;Full Atk:By weapon ; Space/Reach: 15ft/15ft; SA Oversized weapon, spell-like abilities; SQ Damage reduction 15/lawful, darkvision 60 ft., spell resistance 35.; AL N; SV ; Str 51, Dex 12, Con 39, Int 21, Wis 28, Cha 24.

442 skill points

11 feats (7 normal 4 epic)

I think wh should give each titan some class levels plus a few unique powers to reflect their area of expertise.

i think advancing them even higher is a good idea the average of an elder titan and a normal titan is about 45 so i think that sounds like a good balance.

Here are a couple ideas i came up with.

Atlas: We should up his lifting multiple by like 20 thus being a Colossal sized creature he would have a lift multiple of about 36 with this power. with the standard 51 str 246,963 Lbs or 132.5 tons. Rahh Atlas Smash!

Coeus: Some sort of fear power maybe like weird or something like that.

Crius: Hmm Reverse gravity, Butt loads of all purpose DR like mayby 15/- to reflect his density.

EPIMETHEUS: Um er uhh Hmm I cant think of anything special for him.

Kronos: That lava ball sounds good Maybe like metior swarm or something?

Oceanus: Controlling weather and commanding fishy creatures he can be like aquaman except he wont suck.

PROMETHEUS: He seems like a brainy dude so maybe +5-10 insight bonus on all knowledge or profession rolls.

Reah: Maybe dr of XX/Forged weapons

Cliff

 

[Filby]

Hmm... I don't get anything when I click on the attatchment link, Boz.

EDIT: Oooh... I got 100 posts the other day and didn't even realize.