Hypersmurf
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He'd be good protection for the back-rank casters, as well.
"Okay, Cube, the evil monk Tumbles past you, and..."
"Wanna bet?"
-Hyp.
Elf or Human , whos better?
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He'd be good protection for the back-rank casters, as well.
"Okay, Cube, the evil monk Tumbles past you, and..."
"Wanna bet?"
-Hyp.
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Dark Jezter said:
And what about those of us that love to play Elves that get annoyed by those people? We get the bad end too, yet we just enjoy playing the race. The attacks on Elves are just as bad as the insane worshiping, and being stuck in the middle makes it even worse. There ARE good Elf RPers, but we don't go around telling everyone all the time.
And, if you haven't figured it out yet, I'd take Elf. While I do love to play Humans here and there, I just love the RP aspect of Elves. The personality leans more towards mine, and I just enjoy playing the quiet Elven archer among the group.
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Elves or Humans
In 2nd edition I hated humans. There was no reason to play them. Elves were SO much better.
But in 3rd the races are well balanced and overall I slightly prefer humans. An elf character might be preferable for a wizard (sword and bow proficiency) or archer (+2 DEX), but mostly I think humans are more flexible. Even for a rogue, I would rather take the human extra feat and skill point bonuses over elves' low light vision and +2 DEX.
In 2nd edition I hated humans. There was no reason to play them. Elves were SO much better.
But in 3rd the races are well balanced and overall I slightly prefer humans. An elf character might be preferable for a wizard (sword and bow proficiency) or archer (+2 DEX), but mostly I think humans are more flexible. Even for a rogue, I would rather take the human extra feat and skill point bonuses over elves' low light vision and +2 DEX.
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Hypersmurf
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Hypersmurf said:
Ah. Well. *shrugs* At least I could have been given a memo or something.
From looking at all of the above posts, I'd have to ask for some clarity before I can provide a concise answer.
Are you wondering which is better from the standpoint of racial advantages? Or are we just talking about personal preferences without regard to effectiveness?
I think the basic concept of playing a superhumanly-agile warrior with razor-sharp senses is appealing, but naturally that appeal is diminished by the elf's favored class. Dwarves are designed to make good fighters, halflings are good rogues, and half-orcs make mighty-fine barbarians. Elves don't have the package to be a good wizard. In fact, their Con penalty is a detriment to a wizard's most vital skill, Concentration.
I recall Tom Baker's line from that horrible movie: "Humans use magic, elves are a part of it!" Seems to me it would work better to make Sorcerer their favored class, then give them a Charisma bonus. Now that meshes nicely!
You want a class to have wizard as a favored class? Give it to the race that's known for having hyper-intelligent crafters, engineers, and dabblers in magic and mad science--gnomes! Drop the lame Con bonus, jack up Intelligence instead. It works. Try it.
Are you wondering which is better from the standpoint of racial advantages? Or are we just talking about personal preferences without regard to effectiveness?
I think the basic concept of playing a superhumanly-agile warrior with razor-sharp senses is appealing, but naturally that appeal is diminished by the elf's favored class. Dwarves are designed to make good fighters, halflings are good rogues, and half-orcs make mighty-fine barbarians. Elves don't have the package to be a good wizard. In fact, their Con penalty is a detriment to a wizard's most vital skill, Concentration.
I recall Tom Baker's line from that horrible movie: "Humans use magic, elves are a part of it!" Seems to me it would work better to make Sorcerer their favored class, then give them a Charisma bonus. Now that meshes nicely!
You want a class to have wizard as a favored class? Give it to the race that's known for having hyper-intelligent crafters, engineers, and dabblers in magic and mad science--gnomes! Drop the lame Con bonus, jack up Intelligence instead. It works. Try it.
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Angcuru
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From what I see here, most people prefer humans because of munchkin reasons. Figures.
Humans are easy to RP because all of us(with some exceptions) ARE HUMAN. Elves, on the other hand, are not human (obviously) so it takes some effort to correctly RP them.
I am currently playing an elf for the first time, and I wasn't exactly sure how to RP him, so I made him the stong, silent type(much like myself) with a general dislike for non-elves. This actually worked quite well for him, since his home was recently incinerated by an army of humans, mislead dwarves, and dark/demon elves. Now he's seething with hatred and rage, and he rarely speaks at all.
Changing tone, I'd have to say that I DO NOT understand all of those people who go around saying that elves are tree-hugging sissy-panzies from sugar-coated candyland. Where did this idea come from, anyway?
But, I almost always play elves because I love to take my characters a long way in the game world, and the elven lifespan, culture, etc. are quite helpful in that sense, beside the fact that I just like 'em. Not to say that I don't play other races. I love to play unexpected combinations like Dwarven Monks, Halfling Barbarians, and Orcish Sorcerers or Bards.
One time I played a Dwarven Monk, and at one point during the game a tower collapsed and fell on his head. He somehow survived, and when he woke from the coma remembered nothing about being a monk, but immediately after waking he looked around the room and screamed "WHERE'S ME BOOMSTICK!?" He was so messed up from the accident that his memory was altered and he though he was a rifleman, to the point that the DM let me re-write him as a 'Shooter' class which we wrote up. Variety is good...but I still love elves.
Humans are easy to RP because all of us(with some exceptions) ARE HUMAN. Elves, on the other hand, are not human (obviously) so it takes some effort to correctly RP them. I am currently playing an elf for the first time, and I wasn't exactly sure how to RP him, so I made him the stong, silent type(much like myself) with a general dislike for non-elves. This actually worked quite well for him, since his home was recently incinerated by an army of humans, mislead dwarves, and dark/demon elves. Now he's seething with hatred and rage, and he rarely speaks at all.
Changing tone, I'd have to say that I DO NOT understand all of those people who go around saying that elves are tree-hugging sissy-panzies from sugar-coated candyland. Where did this idea come from, anyway?
But, I almost always play elves because I love to take my characters a long way in the game world, and the elven lifespan, culture, etc. are quite helpful in that sense, beside the fact that I just like 'em. Not to say that I don't play other races. I love to play unexpected combinations like Dwarven Monks, Halfling Barbarians, and Orcish Sorcerers or Bards.
One time I played a Dwarven Monk, and at one point during the game a tower collapsed and fell on his head. He somehow survived, and when he woke from the coma remembered nothing about being a monk, but immediately after waking he looked around the room and screamed "WHERE'S ME BOOMSTICK!?" He was so messed up from the accident that his memory was altered and he though he was a rifleman, to the point that the DM let me re-write him as a 'Shooter' class which we wrote up. Variety is good...but I still love elves.
Elindir
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Personally i prefer elves, i think that is possibly due to me being a longbow archer, i've been doing archery for the best part of five years.
I don't really play much else race wise. With the exception of my gnome all my chars are elves of one sort or another mainly high elves with the odd drow and grey, but hey thats me.
I know it sounds stupid but i'm bad at playing anything else. I played a dwarven figther once but he kept dying on me so i vowed never to play a dwarf again. I prefer playing the archer who gets told to scurry along the ceiling and take pot shots at the bad guys. Its more me than say a brash dwarf for example.
And just for the record i really don't like people who have gone an seen LOTR and think that elves are limp wristed pixies, they are not...as it says somewhere in the D&D PHB, or was it another of the rule books, elves are feared on the battlefield and they are masters of battle strategy.
I don't really play much else race wise. With the exception of my gnome all my chars are elves of one sort or another mainly high elves with the odd drow and grey, but hey thats me.
I know it sounds stupid but i'm bad at playing anything else. I played a dwarven figther once but he kept dying on me so i vowed never to play a dwarf again. I prefer playing the archer who gets told to scurry along the ceiling and take pot shots at the bad guys. Its more me than say a brash dwarf for example.
And just for the record i really don't like people who have gone an seen LOTR and think that elves are limp wristed pixies, they are not...as it says somewhere in the D&D PHB, or was it another of the rule books, elves are feared on the battlefield and they are masters of battle strategy.
Andion Isurand
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From a mechanical perspective...
After the introduction of "First Character Level Only" feats in FR game material, Humans were granted a lot more flavor. (since they can pick two, not just one)
I hope to see more "First Character Level Only" feats, and have a good many of them for humans only (and thier respective ethnic backgrounds)
From a mechanical perspective, I am at the point where I can't decide between elves and humans. ( if given that particular choice )
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From a roleplaying perspective, it really depends on what mood I am in and whether or not there are already a lot of humans or elves in the party.
After the introduction of "First Character Level Only" feats in FR game material, Humans were granted a lot more flavor. (since they can pick two, not just one)
I hope to see more "First Character Level Only" feats, and have a good many of them for humans only (and thier respective ethnic backgrounds)
From a mechanical perspective, I am at the point where I can't decide between elves and humans. ( if given that particular choice )
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From a roleplaying perspective, it really depends on what mood I am in and whether or not there are already a lot of humans or elves in the party.
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