Enterprise 05-26-04

[Brown Jenkin]

To be fair, Tripp and Mayweather said that SF looked the same. This leads me to believe it is an alternate present rather than the past.

I have a hard time believing that an alternate reality would have exactly the same skyscrapers and spaceports while flight technology hasn't progressed past prop fighters.

 

[Raven Crowking]

Yeah, there are some slight differences. Maybe it's not a Reman, there was no explaination given to it whatsoever in the episode.

However, the makeup differences seem slight to me, and could be a result of different budgets for Nemesis and Enterprise.

Personally, I'm saying it's a Reman, cause I want to see a plot involving Romulans...

And let us not forget that the Andorians, Trills, Klingons, etc., etc., have all appeared in different forms on different series. The Nazi alien seems a lot closer to a Reman than, say, any later Klingons do to the TOS Klingons, or the DS9 Trills do to the TNG Trills.

All in all, I really enjoyed this episode. The cliffhanger situation actually made me think of Doctor Who in terms of all the possibilities that are left open.

RC

 

[RangerWickett]

See, what you're all missing is, we know that Nazis are the best villains ever, so obviously, that means the Nazis are controlling the time stream. Hitler didn't die; he went to the future. The climax of the series will of course take place in 1492, on the deck of the Pinta, Nina, and Santa Maria, as Archer duels Hitler with phasers and lightsabers, for the fate of all of the West Indies.

Thankfully, a time traveling Captain Jack Sparrow will come to his rescue just at the nick of time.

Get it? Nick of time? Heh hehe hehe.

*groan*

 

[beta-ray]

Someone edit the topic to put spoiler in there please...

Lets see, Nazi's are a staple Startrek Badguy.

From TOS to VOY and now ENT.

They COULD have, if they did what voyager did, scanned the atmopshere.

in ST4 they did that too...

Scan the atmosphere for what? Pollution? What would that have solved?

Oh, let me add in that during that time period, yes even during WW2 ENT should have easily picked up radio transmissions from the surface.

"I've scanned all frequenceies" is bull, cause all frequencies includes radio.

True, but I don't know if we have been given the full capabilities or working protocols of tech in the 22nd century (i watch but not rabidly). Scanning "all frequencies" could mean all NORMAL frequencies... not every single frequency known to man. Remember that in TMP, some of the messages sent by V'GER were almost missed because they were sending out on frequencies not normally used.

Then again, what I noticed about several posters is that they treat this as they have all older Treks... This takes place before all the other Treks (barring time travel stories) some things will be different. Also, although they started out exploring, they now have a mission that does not primarily involve space exploration. Currently the stories about the temporal war. Complaining to TPTB might help but banging your head against the wall in a forum probably won't.

And I am in the camp that Berman and Braga may have had it once, but never really together.

 

[beta-ray]

I don't know if it's obvious to anyone else yet, but it's obvious to me the bad guys waging the Temporal War are the Borg from the distant future.

That's interesting... I noticed the outfits were similar to the Borg queen's... BUT what stuck out at me more was the different species bowing to a "god", reminded me more of the Dominion. In fact, the Guardians reminded me of several things... They look a little like the Changelings, they live in a world like the Prophets (I guess that is the way Trek people represent someplace outside time) and they dress like the Borg Queen.

I had thought that it was just the visionaries lack of originality... I never thought for once that they did it on purpose, but if they did... Could it be that the Borg assimilated the Changelings who then attacked the Prophets?! Whoa...

 

[BrooklynKnight]

The Series has always been about the Temporal War, from the very first episode.

Its possible that this race is the same race that was telling the tsuliban what to do.

As for pollution.....

The state of earths atmopshere changes over the years. This is all recorded.
by scanning the atmopshere and comparing it to records onboard, you can extrapolate what year you're in.

This was done both in StarTrek 4 and Episodes of Voyager...

 

[Eternalknight]

I have a hard time believing that an alternate reality would have exactly the same skyscrapers and spaceports while flight technology hasn't progressed past prop fighters.

Ah, but how many times has ST ignored believability before?

 

[Orius]

As for pollution.....

The state of earths atmopshere changes over the years. This is all recorded.
by scanning the atmopshere and comparing it to records onboard, you can extrapolate what year you're in.

This was done both in StarTrek 4 and Episodes of Voyager...

But by the same token, they might not have scanned for pollution, given that they don't know they've traveled backwards through time.

Still, there are at least two things that should have tipped them off right away that something weird is going on.

1. The absense of anything in orbit. I don't just mean orbital stations and spacedocks. I'm talking various networks of satellites and stuff. Do you have any idea how much junk we got orbiting the Earth now? We've got all sort of government and commercial satellites flying around, plus a huge crap load of debris. There's got to be some sort of gps and communication satellite networks around the Earth in the timeframe of Enterprise, not to mention debris (especially debris from Yosemite station). If they're going back to the WWII era, the space around Earth should be pretty much pristine.

2. Radio signals. This should be even more telling. I don't see why, as other have pointed out, they wouldn't be receiving radio signals from Earth that would tell them they're in the 20th century.

The real reason for it is suspense. B&B kept things mysterious on us until that plane fired on the shuttlepod. So conveniently, they don't have any clue something is wrong until B&B are ready to show their hand.

 

[mojo1701]

As for pollution.....

The state of earths atmopshere changes over the years. This is all recorded.
by scanning the atmopshere and comparing it to records onboard, you can extrapolate what year you're in.

This was done both in StarTrek 4 and Episodes of Voyager...

And let's not forget First Contact.

 

[Raven Crowking]

Oh, let me add in that during that time period, yes even during WW2 ENT should have easily picked up radio transmissions from the surface.

"I've scanned all frequenceies" is bull, cause all frequencies includes radio.

I don't know if you are aware of it, but communications in ST generally do not include radio wave frequencies. Moreover, radio is archaic. (This is one of the reasons that no one ever answers our radio messages!)

Even by the time of Enterprise, faster-than-light communication exists. Don't believe it? Watch, oh, any episode where they communicate with Starfleet. Remember that five-year delay while waiting for a response? Nope. That's because there isn't any. Communications travel much faster than Warp 9.

Even going back to TOS, radio was mentioned as being an "old fashioned" form of communication, or words to that effect.

I would imagine that a starship would not normally use radio communications during the Enterprise era because, with the distances involved, there isn't any point. A shuttle pod, however, might still be equipped with a radio receiver to pick up some form of broadcasts still being used on Earth because they are a modification of a near-orbital design.

Also, note on your AM/FM dial, when you "scan all frequencies" you scan all the frequencies that the device is capable of scanning. You don't scan, say, visible light, or gamma radiation. I would assume that the Enterprise wouldn't, either.

In conclusion, "I've scanned all frequencies" clearly indicates that they've scanned all normal communications frequencies, using whatever equipment is standard to the ship. All seldom really means all, either in fiction or in real life.