D&D (2024) Greyhawk 2024: comparing Oerth and Earth

[Parmandur]

It is necessary to have reallife culture in mind − from reallife points of view.

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No?

 

[Yaarel]

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No?

Then Rhennee.

Then Red Orcs and Yellow Orcs.

Then "evil" "shaman" "savages".

Etcetera.

 

[Parmandur]

Then Rhennee.

Then Red Orcs and Yellow Orcs.

Then "evil" "shaman" "savages".

Etcetera.

That does nor follow. Fictional cultures do not need to be one-to-one correspondences at all. They need to be done with some sensitivity, but that us seperate.

 

[Yaarel]

That does nor follow. Fictional cultures do not need to be one-to-one correspondences at all. They need to be done with some sensitivity, but that us seperate.

All fictional cultures remix reallife cultures. The referred cultures recognize if the author is respecting their culture or not.

For example, the 1e orcs were a "fictional culture" yet ended up recycling very negative reallife stereotypes.

The 1e drow were a "fictional culture" yet ended up recycling very negative reallife stereotypes.

 

[Yaarel]

Suel is a "fictional culture", and this thread communicates how I feel about its very negative stereotypes.

 

[Parmandur]

All fictional cultures remix reallife cultures. The referred cultures recognize if the author is respecting their culture or not.

For example, the 1e orcs were a "fictional culture" yet ended up recycling very negative reallife stereotypes.

The 1e drow were a "fictional culture" yet ended up recycling very negative reallife stereotypes.

Sure, bit that doesn't mean remixes or vague correspondences are inherently problematic, or that every correspondence has to be 1-to-1 with only one real world culture, or that a fictional culture has to be in the same latitude as their inspiration.

 

[Parmandur]

Suel is a "fictional culture", and this thread communicates how I feel about its very negative stereotypes.

They are Atlantians, yes. A fictional culture based on mythology.

 

[Yaarel]

Sure, bit that doesn't mean remixes or vague correspondences are inherently problematic, or that every correspondence has to be 1-to-1 with only one real world culture, or that a fictional culture has to be in the same latitude as their inspiration.

Say I am worldbuilding, and I splice, say, Japanese and Finnish culture together for inspiration. The result must insure that both Japanese and Finnish are comfortable.

They are Atlantians, yes. A fictional culture based on mythology.

Since the "vikings" were said to be the perfect "specimens" of Suel, Suel cannot be Atlanteans.

 

[Parmandur]

Say I am worldbuilding, and I splice, say, Japanese and Finnish culture together for inspiration. The result must insure that both Japanese and Finnish are comfortable.

Sure, but you could put thst splice in the tropics or the desert and work from there. It doesn't need to be 1-to-1 with the real world. It is imaginary.

Since the "vikings" were said to be the perfect "specimens" of Suel, Suel cannot be Atlanteans.

So are the Leonore Islanders, who are not Norse at all. And that is talking about physical aspects only. The Northerners specifically rejected the culture of the Suel 1000 years prior, the Scsrlet Brotherhood is specifically wrong to be fetishiizing the Northerners "racial" aspect. Suel is Atlantis, the Northerners are distant descendents with a different culture.

Like the Trojan wizards who are the ancestors of real Scandanavians. That doesn't make bronze age Anatolians Norwegian.

 

[Yaarel]

Sure, but you could put thst splice in the tropics or the desert and work from there. It doesn't need to be 1-to-1 with the real world. It is imaginary.

I agree, this Japanese-Finn fusion culture might inhabit the rainforests. But then I still need to know what I am talking about − as an author − for the sake verisimilude. And, I still need to be respectful toward Japan, Finland, and which ever rainforest ethnic groups I have in mind, whose lives I am modeling to understand how to survive in the rainforests.

Reallife cultures are where the fiction derives. The result must be culturally sensitive. Or else, offense happens.

Mixing ones inspirations up solves nothing.

Like the Trojan wizards who are the ancestors of real Scandanavians. That doesn't make bronze age Anatolians Norwegian.

Yet that story describes how Norse themselves believed their ancestors wielded magical power, thus relates the folkbelief. Meanwhile, he was off about Troy, but it turns out he was correct about Asia, with the name "æsir" relating to Sanskrit asura and Avestan ahura, etcetera.