House of the Dragon spoiler thread

Stalker0

Legend
Im not sure I agree with the unworthy take on King Viserys. Nor the idea he made many mistakes. Perhaps sat on the fence at times he ought to have acted, but he never did anything rash, or terrible, or stupid. My take was more that Viserys was a good man, and thus the throne rejected him for that sin alone.

This is a common theme among GoT, what does it take to be a good king. Obviously you don't want to be a Tyrant, but you do need people to follow and obey you, and sometimes that requires a little bit of fear.

Viserys seems like a good man for the most part, but a good king? He's not a bad king, but you could argue his weakness has weakened his house and position over time.
 

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Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Absolutely! What the throne considers to be unworthy might not be the same as what we would consider to be unworthy.

That being said, I view the whole “the throne rejects the unworthy” thing as a superstition. I don’t think there’s meant to be anything supernatural about the throne in actuality.
yeah its a Throne made of the swords of conquered enemies I'm sure being nice to kittens arent necessarily its idea of Worthiness
 

payn

Legend
This is a common theme among GoT, what does it take to be a good king. Obviously you don't want to be a Tyrant, but you do need people to follow and obey you, and sometimes that requires a little bit of fear.

Viserys seems like a good man for the most part, but a good king? He's not a bad king, but you could argue his weakness has weakened his house and position over time.
IDK, he managed to stay out of wars of attrition and save face as long as he could. The cost was mitigated when he wed his daughter to win his ally back. I guess, sure, he never rode his dragons to battle and laid to waste hundreds of thousands of lives, but we saw how awful that was in GoT. I'd say Viserys was a pretty good king who maintained an era of relative peace. Beautifully noted in his scene with Lord Lyonel Strong his new hand. Every man dreams of fame and glory, only the foolish throw away everything in its pursuit.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
According to actor Paddy Considine, Viserys is suffering from leprosy.

Perhaps it’s just because he’s the king, but I’m surprised Westeros doesn’t isolate lepers from the rest of society like medieval Europeans did.



Jerusalem had a leper king.
 

wicked cool

Adventurer
Good episode. Sort of surprised they replaced basically 1 actress due to age
The man with the cane. Who is he related 2 and was he blackmailing the queen at the end?
 

billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him)
Good episode. Sort of surprised they replaced basically 1 actress due to age
The man with the cane. Who is he related 2 and was he blackmailing the queen at the end?
Multiple actresses - Rhaenyra and Alicent are both recast with older actresses.
And Larys Strong is the younger son of the Hand of the King, Lyonel Strong (and younger brother of Harwin Strong).
 




Amazing to see Viserys was still kicking after all those years. I was expecting the episode to open with his death.

The transition to the aged up actors was pretty smooth… Alicent in particular.
 




Aeson

Legend
The Sea Snake's children had also aged up. The son was in the previous couple of episodes. I don't think the daughter was though. I think she came and went in the same episode.
 

Rabulias

the Incomparably Shrewd and Clever
Amazing to see Viserys was still kicking after all those years. I was expecting the episode to open with his death.
I was most surprised the King is still going ( may r he outlives then all!)
In the scene where Lyonel is offering to resign as Hand, when Viserys stands up, you can see that his left arm looks like just black bone. :oops:
 

Rabulias

the Incomparably Shrewd and Clever
The Sea Snake's children had also aged up. The son was in the previous couple of episodes. I don't think the daughter was though. I think she came and went in the same episode.
Yes, she was in an at least two earlier episodes, by two actresses, I believe. One when she was about 12 and walking with Viserys on a "date" when he was considering her as a wife. The other was just the last episode where she was about 15 at the wedding festivities. It was there she was making eyes at Daemon, leading to their marriage that we see in this episode.
 

Aeson

Legend
Yes, she was in an at least two earlier episodes, by two actresses, I believe. One when she was about 12 and walking with Viserys on a "date" when he was considering her as a wife. The other was just the last episode where she was about 15 at the wedding festivities. It was there she was making eyes at Daemon, leading to their marriage that we see in this episode.
I meant the actress came and went in this episode.
 


I hope Martin is in therapy, given that being a woman in his novels so consistently means exposing them to violence and death.

And no, it's not "realistic." His books have zombies, dragons and magic abortion tea. It's an authorial choice.
 

But . . . I felt like we lost a character we'd been with the entire season so far, despite being portrayed at three different ages by three different actresses. All three actresses were good!
She was an excellent character. I'd love to have seen at least one POV episode with her adult self before having her removed from the stage like this. To be fair, I felt the same way about Daemon's last wife. Dude's got his issues, but he has good wives.
 

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