Immortals Handbook - ASCENSION

[Fieari]

Pay for it with what? They have infinite non-Epic wealth, and Wish doesn't cost XP as a spell-like ability.

Remember, under Krust rules SLAs still have to pay XP costs (if not material ones) out of either XP or quintessence. Their worshippers can pay this cost if the ability benefits that(those) worshipper(s).

 

[mercucio]

Remember, under Krust rules SLAs still have to pay XP costs (if not material ones) out of either XP or quintessence. Their worshippers can pay this cost if the ability benefits that(those) worshipper(s).

Where is that referenced in Ascension? Or is it on one of the posts in this thread?

 

[Ltheb Silverfrond]

Where is that referenced in Ascension? Or is it on one of the posts in this thread?

I don't think it it specifically called out, but given the ease at which an epic character can obtain gold (Rob a kingdom, make it with an epic spell, etc) Its a fairly safe bet that a deity can amass pointless wealth, given the time.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

Where is that referenced in Ascension? Or is it on one of the posts in this thread?

Someone asked about this before, my initial idea was to spell it out in Grimoire (amidst the sacrifices and so forth).

I just don't like the idea of granting wishes for free. I think its a bad policy to adopt.

 

[mercucio]

I agree completely. Until you spell it out explicity, however, that is what you are effectively doing. Of course changing wish to miracle is a simpler solution and makes a a great deal more sense in so much that miracle is an exertion of divine power/will...and not as powerful as wish .

 

[Alzrius]

Just wanted to mention, U_K, that as mercucio and others stated, unless you say otherwise, spell-like abilities have no XP cost, so they would have wish at will. I personally don't think that's a bad thing though, at the level they're playing at, considering how much that spell has been nerfed in the current edition of the game.

 

[Anabstercorian]

Someone asked about this before, my initial idea was to spell it out in Grimoire (amidst the sacrifices and so forth).

Unwise. It's a very important rule, at the rate of 5,000 xp/quintessence per wish. Clarify it explicitly in Ascension.

I just don't like the idea of granting wishes for free. I think its a bad policy to adopt.

Then say so, without being a big passive-aggressive baby about it. It's your template, man.

 

[Ltheb Silverfrond]

Just wanted to mention, U_K, that as mercucio and others stated, unless you say otherwise, spell-like abilities have no XP cost, so they would have wish at will. I personally don't think that's a bad thing though, at the level they're playing at, considering how much that spell has been nerfed in the current edition of the game.

True, the only benifit of having Wish in 3rd edition is the convenience of having access to almost every lower level spell.
I don't think it would be so bad to attach a small quintessence cost to using the Wish power. At the divine tier you get wish at, not having access to the spells it duplicates could mean a simple effect like Prismatic Sphere or a Wall of Force might be impossible to bypass for a typical deity (one who isn't a spellcaster) or possibly even a group of them. (given a broad gamut of challenges, odds are one of them per adventure will be a magical obstruction)
Also, a high quintessence cost for Wish would make Alter Reality even more attractive. (Unless it costs some Qp as well... Then it isn't worth it either)

 

[WarDragon]

U_K, question about Portfolios. If a deity already has, by virtue of race or another template, the immunity one of his Portfolios grants (say, a devil or red dragon god of Fire), is that ability wasted? Or do they get a higher up one instead (healing or reflection)?

Just wanted to mention, U_K, that as mercucio and others stated, unless you say otherwise, spell-like abilities have no XP cost, so they would have wish at will. I personally don't think that's a bad thing though, at the level they're playing at, considering how much that spell has been nerfed in the current edition of the game.

Agreed. A few free wishes a day is not a bad thing at the levels we're talking about.

 

[mercucio]

I couldn't agree less. If going the route that deities should be able use their SLAs for free miracle fits the whole...what's this book's subject about again...that right! Divinity!

Seriously, miracle fits the whole theme of divine intervention better than wish...and has fewer permanent complications (i.e. inherent bonuses, ect).