Knights of the Virgin

[Hunter99]

My apologies.

Yes, if a woman wanted to overthrow these knightly orders through brute force, the way a conqueror would attempt to, she would have no chance.

Guile is another matter.

As far as the campaign being about men looking to get laid, I can only repeat what another poster has said in some other thread: there is better porn on the internet.

Edit: The purpose of the story was not so much about women, although they enter into the story, but about sexual morality and two opposing views of life.

The secular, liberal, pagan view and the conservative, religious view.

These knighthoods are two evil organizations, but each follows one of these philosophies.

Now it is true that neither of them are good, because the conflict here was never between good vs. evil.

Now with the entrance of PCs into the events that are transpiring, things become different because the PCs can make choices and choose to be good.

It also provides for an interesting campaign since it creates a conflict of values within the PCs.

 

[ExploderWizard]

OK. Since no one has brought this up yet and I am dying to know the answer:

What does this order have to with virginity/chastity?

With a name like "Knights of the Virgin" one would expect them to have ideals that center around that concept.

From the description the order neither enforces or even promotes the concept of virginity, chastity, or purity.

Knights of the Virgin use women as breeding devices?

That does just not compute. How did the order gets its name given that it has nothing to do with concept it was named after?

 

[Bagpuss]

These are the villains in a tentative campaign which I am thinking of running.

I'm sorry I thought we had established that the Knights of the Scarlet Woman were the villains, what with the rape and kidnapping and all.

 

[xigbar]

Haven't I seen this thread before?

 

[domino]

I'm sorry I thought we had established that the Knights of the Scarlet Woman were the villains, what with the rape and kidnapping and all.

No, they're the group the PCs are intended to join. They're doing women a favor, after all.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

As far as how life being unfair relates to D&D, if women were made physically equal and we pretended that in this fantasy world they had always had rights and everthing went as they wished, it would not be realistic. Consequently, it would be a bad story.

"It's a helicopter, and it's coming this way. It's flying something behind it, I can't quite make it out, it's a large banner and it says, uh - Happy... Thaaaaanksss... giving! ... From ... W ... K ... R... P!! No parachutes yet. Can't be skydivers... I can't tell just yet what they are, but - Oh my God, Johnny, they're DRAGONS!! Johnny, can you get this? Oh, they're plunging to the earth right in front of our eyes! One just went through the windshield of a parked car! Oh, the humanity! The dragons are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement! Not since the Hindenburg tragedy has there been anything like this!"

"Les? Les? Les, are you there? Les isn't there. Thanks for that on-the-spot report, Les. For those of you who've just tuned in, the Pinedale Shopping Mall has just been bombed with live dragons. Film at eleven."

"As God is my witness, I thought dragons could fly!!!"

 

[Umbran]

It is only when the campaign presents such difficult choices that a real conflict of values is created in the minds of the players.

But, I don't think that's what you have here.

You get a real conflict of values in the minds of the players when the player is not sure of which side is correct. It is clear that both of these are incorrect - there's no conflict of values for the player if both the sides presented are horribly evil.

To oversimplify slightly - if you present the players with a demon and a devil, they aren't going to quibble much over the Law and Chaos issue.

 

[xigbar]

Beat me to it by 10 seconds, Umbran. And that's also why you either need a third faction that people have been suggesting, or add some spots of good in both factions, to make them part of the "grey area."

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

From the description the order neither enforces or even promotes the concept of virginity, chastity, or purity.

Knights of the Virgin use women as breeding devices?

That does just not compute. How did the order gets its name given that it has nothing to do with concept it was named after?

Good catch.

I'm up to three islands of facepalms. Does that officially make it an archipelago?

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Yes, if a woman wanted to overthrow these knightly orders through brute force, the way a conqueror would attempt to, she would have no chance.

You've posited a campaign world full of men who are so misogynistic, a woman cannot find more than (presumably) an adventuring party's worth people willing & able to take up arms against the oppression of half of the human species. Seemingly even among the divine beings are cool with this, because no female deity (or deities) has decided to just Call an army of Paladins to champion the cause of alleviating the suffering of their followers.

Niiiiiiiiiice.