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Key to any movie or story is to make the audience care about the characters. 2nd is to make us care about the stakes. This is where most comic book movies & TV shows (and indeed most movies and TV shows) fail. If I don't care about what happens, I'm not going to keep watching.
 

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Key to any movie or story is to make the audience care about the characters. 2nd is to make us care about the stakes. This is where most comic book movies & TV shows (and indeed most movies and TV shows) fail. If I don't care about what happens, I'm not going to keep watching.
Captain America did a great job of making me care about that skinny little kid from Brooklyn who kept his values even after he 'grew up' and who missed his date by 70 years saving the world.

Thor took the other route, finding his worth after his arrogance nearly cost him everything, but I cared about the person he became.

The Avengers did a fine job setting the stakes. The ultimate war was for the entire world, but they kept the focus on a single city centre and the civilians trapped in the line of fire, and made those the stakes the audience needed to care about, constantly bringing things back to ground level amidst all the epic fighting.
 

Thor's change was utterly unmotivated and unearned. Why did he change? He got drunk in a bar and woke up a completely changed person. ??? He did absolutely nothing to prove himself worthy. Honestly, it took 4 or 5 movies for them to get Thor right. Thor! The single simplest of the Avengers.
Loki was... ...utterly lacking. He didn't feel like he had a motive at all. The most interesting version of Loki was... ...every other version of Loki in the Loki TV show. In Thor and Avengers he was just a mustache twirler. "I'm evil because I'm eeee vil. Bu wah ha ha haaaaa."
Winter Soldier would have been a way better intro to Cap than TFA. Why introduce the Howling Commandos if you're not even going to even give them names? How tough can a villain be if he's defeated in a 10-minute montage?
 

Thor's change was utterly unmotivated and unearned. Why did he change? He got drunk in a bar and woke up a completely changed person. ??? He did absolutely nothing to prove himself worthy. Honestly, it took 4 or 5 movies for them to get Thor right. Thor! The single simplest of the Avengers.
Loki was... ...utterly lacking. He didn't feel like he had a motive at all. The most interesting version of Loki was... ...every other version of Loki in the Loki TV show. In Thor and Avengers he was just a mustache twirler. "I'm evil because I'm eeee vil. Bu wah ha ha haaaaa."
Winter Soldier would have been a way better intro to Cap than TFA. Why introduce the Howling Commandos if you're not even going to even give them names? How tough can a villain be if he's defeated in a 10-minute montage?
No, I think Thor had a pretty solid arc. He’s initially the golden boy, leader of the gang, heir to the throne, who both feels the weight of future responsibility and chafes at what he sees as his father’s age and weakness. That comes out very clearly in the confrontation that leads to his banishment.

“You are a vain, greedy, cruel boy!”

“And you are an old man and a fool!”

“Yes, I was a fool… to think you were ready. Thor Odinson, you have betrayed the express command of your king. You are unworthy of these realms, unworthy of your title, unworthy of the loved ones you have betrayed! I now take from you your power! In the name of my father and his father before him, I CAST YOU OUT!”

(This scene, when Odin literally strips Thor of his armour and cloak, mirroring the disgracing of Alfred Dreyfus, is killer.)

And Thor is abandoned, petulant, entitled; still a vain child who hasn’t processed what’s happened.

And then he cannot lift his hammer; his power rejects him and deems him unworthy. It would all have been OK if Mjolnir had accepted him for who he was.

And THEN Loki - his brother and confidant, whom he trusts implicitly - comes to him and does the Iago bit. Dad is dead, Loki is reluctantly king now; he’s sorry, but there can be no official forgiveness, even their mother won’t see Thor.

Only then does Thor, completely broken by his own failures (as he sees them), understand that it’s up to him to define himself, get up, and make the best of the rest of his possibly endless life. He takes it one day at a time. He starts to care about those around him and his new home. He starts to become worthy.

And I agree this part could have used more development, but sadly we didn’t have time. The final step to worthiness is when he takes on the Destroyer with nothing but mortal strength and skill, willing to sacrifice himself to protect even one other person. And then Mjolnir flies to his hand, like it’s been waiting all along.

I think it’s a great arc and one that shows up in every version of Thor since. Even in Endgame, when he’s broken again, he’s striving for worthiness, to do something good.

Equally, Loki has a good arc. He’s the younger less charismatic son - he gets it, he’s used to being the clever one who gets Thor out of trouble and making things work, he’s looking forward to being his vizier forever. But then Thor is exiled and he’s the heir, he’s not prepared, and then he discovers that he’s not Asgardian, he’s an enemy child adopted as a potential diplomatic resource for conquest. And he snaps - he hates himself, hates his Jotun lineage, decides to genocide the Jotun to eliminate everything he hates and take the throne (which is already within reach) by force and guile because that’s what a Jotun would do. He’s lashing out, no sense of self, all his wits doing nothing to help him process what’s happened.

It takes him ages to process this and he pretends to be a villain because that helps (and of course Thanos tortures him and will kill him if he doesn’t conquer Earth). And he is a villain - he kills and maims and threatens, he’s responsible for many deaths and disasters - but when Ragnarok comes he finally pulls it together and reaches some semblance of being happy with who he is. And then Thanos kills him.
 
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No, I think Thor had a pretty solid arc. He’s initially the golden boy, leader of the gang, heir to the throne, who both feels the weight of future responsibility and chafes at what he sees as his father’s age and weakness. That comes out very clearly in the confrontation that leads to his banishment.

“You are a vain, greedy, cruel boy!”

“And you are an old man and a fool!”

“Yes, I was a fool… to think you were ready. Thor Odinson, you have betrayed the express command of your king. You are unworthy of these realms, unworthy of your title, unworthy of the loved ones you have betrayed! I now take from you your power! In the name of my father and his father before him, I CAST YOU OUT!”

(This scene, when Odin literally strips Thor of his armour and cloak, mirroring the disgracing of Alfred Dreyfus, is killer.)

And Thor is abandoned, petulant, entitled; still a vain child who hasn’t processed what’s happened.

And then he cannot lift his hammer; his power rejects him and deems him unworthy. It would all have been OK if Mjolnir had accepted him for who he was.

And THEN Loki - his brother and confidant, whom he trusts implicitly - comes to him and does the Iago bit. Dad is dead, Loki is reluctantly king now; he’s sorry, but there can be no official forgiveness, even their mother won’t see Thor.

Only then does Thor, completely broken by his own failures (as he sees them), understand that it’s up to him to define himself, get up, and make the best of the rest of his possibly endless life. He takes it one day at a time. He starts to care about those around him and his new home. He starts to become worthy.

And I agree this part could have used more development, but sadly we didn’t have time. The final step to worthiness is when he takes on the Destroyer with nothing but mortal strength and skill, willing to sacrifice himself to protect even one other person. And then Mjolnir flies to his hand, like it’s been waiting all along.

I think it’s a great arc and one that shows up in every version of Thor since. Even in Endgame, when he’s broken again, he’s striving for worthiness, to do something good.

Equally, Loki has a good arc. He’s the younger less charismatic son - he gets it, he’s used to being the clever one who gets Thor out of trouble and making things work, he’s looking forward to being his vizier forever. But then Thor is exiled and he’s the heir, he’s not prepared, and then he discovers that he’s not Asgardian, he’s an enemy child adopted as a potential diplomatic resource for conquest. And he snaps - he hates himself, hates his Jotun lineage, decides to genocide the Jotun to eliminate everything he hates and take the throne (which is already within reach) by force and guile because that’s what a Jotun would do. He’s lashing out, no sense of self, all his wits doing nothing to help him process what’s happened.

It takes him ages to process this and he pretends to be a villain because that helps (and of course Thanos tortures him and will kill him if he doesn’t conquer Earth). And he is a villain - he kills and maims and threatens, he’s responsible for many deaths and disasters - but when Ragnarok comes he finally pulls it together and reaches some semblance of being happy with who he is. And then Thanos kills him.
Good analysis and I would say that you only missed on two points. In the beginning Thor doesn't feel the weight of future responsibility. He's just a dudebro and sees the throne as his birthright, without needing to earn it. Like the quarterback son of the richest guy in town. The other thing is that Loki doesn't come to an epiphany when Thor is cast out. He orchestrated it by prodding Thor into action when he was on the fence, then pulling back like he was being the reasonable one. Master manipulator.
 



Good analysis and I would say that you only missed on two points. In the beginning Thor doesn't feel the weight of future responsibility. He's just a dudebro and sees the throne as his birthright, without needing to earn it. Like the quarterback son of the richest guy in town. The other thing is that Loki doesn't come to an epiphany when Thor is cast out. He orchestrated it by prodding Thor into action when he was on the fence, then pulling back like he was being the reasonable one. Master manipulator.
I'd kind of disagree with both, but that's probably not surprising.
  • There are definitely clues that Thor is worried about taking the throne, and is trying on leadership (outside his little gang) for size but knows he doesn't measure up.
  • Loki definitely isn't aiming to have Thor exiled, but he does see that Thor is bored and floundering and prods him to get himself into trouble so that he won't be bored. Also, Loki is kind of bored. He's mostly a clever advisor but he's no more responsible than Thor in some ways, and he genuinely had no idea how much trouble this would all cause. Honestly, this is pretty close to mythic Loki, who's only the god of mischief because he's more clever than everyone else but is sadly no more foresighted or wise than anyone else.
  • But Loki does also blame himself for getting Thor exiled - it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't prodded him, and the look of fear on his face when Odin goes to town on his brother is quite something to behold - and that all feeds into his self-hatred, his turn from "it's all my fault" to "then I'll be the bad guy."
 


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