DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
Probably, but just to be certain you know...
The other downside to PAM weapons is you need STR for them... so it makes your build more MAD.
D&D 5E Making Sneak Attack allow more weapons
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The other downside to PAM weapons is you need STR for them... so it makes your build more MAD.
TwoSix
Everyone's literal second-favorite poster
Since the specified build mentioned a fighter dip, I'd assume they'd just go Str-focused with heavy armor.Probably, but just to be certain you know...
The other downside to PAM weapons is you need STR for them... so it makes your build more MAD.
Cap'n Kobold
Hero
Taking the -5 to hit is generally bad for rogues: It gets worse as your per-attack damage gets better. You're now using a Str-based weapon which is going to hurt the Rogue in its traditional areas of capability.
Rerolling non-weapon damage like sneak attacks and smites has been addressed by Jeremy Crawford. In short; you don't.
At 5th level a pure Fighter would probably be more effective with their 3 attacks at -5/+10.
Getting an off-turn sneak attack really isn't that reliable without aid from your party. Having an opponent be within 5 feet of an ally at the point where it moves to within 10 feet of you can be tricky.
If the rest of the party are needed to set up that sneak attack for you, then that is fine. Teamwork is good and if you only get it off because of the wizard, then that is the wizard being strong, not just the rogue.
You can't dump Dex though: you still need to assign enough points to it at character creation to qualify for multiclassing. You also lose out on your Evasion class ability and Dex-based skills/ability checks.
TwoSix
Everyone's literal second-favorite poster
I didn't say it was a GREAT idea to go Str-focused, just that it was feasible.
TrueBagelMan
Explorer
Quarter Staff is a wooden weapon. Someone in my DnD group is making a rogueX/Nature Cleric 1 so they get medium armor, shield, and Shillelagh to use Wisdom instead of Dexterity. Since they really wanted to use “Wooden Daggers” which have the stats of a quarterstaff and a shield.Probably, but just to be certain you know...
The other downside to PAM weapons is you need STR for them... so it makes your build more MAD.
TrueBagelMan
Explorer
Also if someone Shillelaghed a quarterstaff and had PAM does the bonus action attack also become a d8?
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
No, it is still a d4, Shillelagh doesn't make the bonus action a d8. JC covered this in a Sage Advice. (I was going to do the same thing for my Nature Cleric! LOL
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DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
Sure, but then again you are losing one level of rogue, so again your sneak attack will suffer slightly.
On the plus side, some good skills rely on WIS so a high score there will help the build. Also, with your current wording of Sneak Attack in the OP, the Shillelagh would be reduced back to a d6 IMO since the sneak attack is the last feature affected the attack. But, that is up to interpretation...
BookBarbarian
Expert Long Rester
Like the Class Features UA that open up options for Monk weapons I'd open it up to any weapon the rogue was proficient in with perhaps the added caveat of no melee weapons wielded in 2 hands.
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I’d get rid of all weapon restrictions for the rogue and monk, frankly.
The idea that the rogue being able to hit and move without disengaging is somehow broken is laughable to me.
The idea that the rogue being able to hit and move without disengaging is somehow broken is laughable to me.
