For the purposes of discussion with most people, anime == shonen inspired by DBZ (and not by DB). It's a mischaracterization, but it's a useful shorthand.The sheer amount of 'non-anime' hedging going on is part of the problem too. We're just straight up discounting an entire medium in service of some dumbass meme that stopped being relevant thirty years ago. and was pretty suspect in its intentions even then.
As if anime is just the Z-fighters and not Spike Jeet Kun Do, Gourry and Zelgadis's Swordsmanship (and hey, Zel's a gish too!), the casual hard-punching from Way of the House husband, or Yor's acrobatic badassery.
Nah, we're stuck in 1998 for some reason. And one of those examples was from before then.
Start talking about Fruits Basket and most people will just wonder if you're hungry.