NEW Immortals Handbook - Ascension thread

[Upper_Krust]

Hi historian matey!

I hate to hear that our friend is running on fumes.

I'll be okay in a few weeks time.

Out of curiosity, what would a suitable replacement computer run cost-wise?

I was staring £125 ($250) or thereabouts in the face.

I could have afforded it (just about), but I just wasn't willing to fork it out given

A) My requirements (I haven't played a PC game in years, I don't want to have to spend £125 just to run Pagemaker, Word and browse the internet)
B) My financial situation (which is stable, if not exactly rosey).

 

[shadethief]

Maybe I'm just retarded on this subject, but I can't seem to figure out the equipment lines on the divinity templates in regards to ECL? I'll use a 100 HD greater deity as an example. If I have a pair of artifact bracers that are +50, does that mean my ECL increases by +53? Or do I get the same bracers as +130 for the +80 to ECL?

 

[Ltheb Silverfrond]

Those Equipment lines mean that if the deity does not have the standard 4 artifacts than you should consider their ECL X.

Equipment does not ADD to ECL, but your Level 100 Deity won't be as strong as a level 100 deity without equipment. U_K's system can take stuff like this into account. IE If you run a low magic game, you can almost count on PCs fighting 1/3 below their listed level. Challenge ratings assume characters have access to a certain level of wealth, so if they don't some monsters (like ones with DR or Incorporeality) are grossly more difficult to combat. So by a character not having the "right stuff" he or she is somewhat handicapped in combat.

So, while a 100th level mortal character is ECL 100 (For example), if he doesn't have any appropriate equipment, their fighting potency will be around 66th level.

 

[dante58701]

Quinanes (Super Soldier)

Im curious about this because I have never seen a satisfactory super soldier template. I'm always left with this stale "how the f**k is that super" taste in my mouth.

Given your excellent works thus far, I can only imagine it would actually be the one super soldier I finally take a liking to.

 

[WarDragon]

Upper_Krust: Duly noted. Thanks, and welcome back.

Dante: I think you meant to post that on the Bestiary thread?

Maybe I'm just retarded on this subject, but I can't seem to figure out the equipment lines on the divinity templates in regards to ECL? I'll use a 100 HD greater deity as an example. If I have a pair of artifact bracers that are +50, does that mean my ECL increases by +53? Or do I get the same bracers as +130 for the +80 to ECL?

Here's how it works, as I understand it.

By the default rules, that greater deity is ECL 180, thus he can have, for example, bracers of armor +90, a headband of intellect +90, a +64 weapon (rounded down, half special abilities), and whatever other item that totals to +90 (or +64 if it's a weapon).

Now, if you were to use the +53 ECL version of the template, then yes, his items would be reduced to +50 (or +35 in the case of weapons) as you said, since that LA assumes that it's not counting towards items' power, and therefore results in a much weaker deity.

 

[dante58701]

Actually it's a question related to a deity Im planning on making. A god of war.

Of course Ill have to wait for it, but Im curious about how it's gonna be mapped out so I know what kind of setting to map out.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey shadethief!

Maybe I'm just retarded on this subject, but I can't seem to figure out the equipment lines on the divinity templates in regards to ECL? I'll use a 100 HD greater deity as an example. If I have a pair of artifact bracers that are +50, does that mean my ECL increases by +53? Or do I get the same bracers as +130 for the +80 to ECL?

I think others have already explained, but here it is.

A 180 ECL greater god would get four artifacts of either +90 (bonus squared x10,000) or +64 (bonus squared x20,000).

Equipment is usually 1/3 of a creatures power, therefore we need to increase each template accordingly to maintain this balance. So the greater deity template powers only give +53 ECL but they should also increase artifact power - hence the additional +27 ECL, for a total of +80.

If you add the greater deity template but do not change the creatures equipment, then that template only adds +53 ECL.

If you have class levels with no equipment, then each class level is only worth +0.667.

So:

100th-level character with greater deity template & no equipment = ECL 119 (66 + 53)

100th-level character with greater deity template & 100th-level equipment = ECL 153 (100 + 53)

100th-level character with greater deity template & 180th-level equipment = ECL 180 (100 + 80)

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey dante mate!

Quinanes (Super Soldier)

Im curious about this because I have never seen a satisfactory super soldier template. I'm always left with this stale "how the f**k is that super" taste in my mouth.

Given your excellent works thus far, I can only imagine it would actually be the one super soldier I finally take a liking to.

Quinanes are mutant giants from Atlantis used as elite soldiers and guards. They are closer to final fantasy 'Weapons' than Captain America.

 

[dante58701]

So then, excellent for nearly any campaign, but not quite what Im looking for. Your idea kinda reminds me of Angels. The big mech-like ones from Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Very awesome, I've been needing something like that for a while to.

But for a god a of war, what suggestions do you have for a supersoldier template?
Ive been trying to find one that is science based.

I'm looking for something on par with an amidah that involves either nanotechnology or genetics or both. Preferably something that doesnt allow wish at will.

 

[historian]

Hey U_K, glad you're back!

My initial answer would be that it applies to both, but with static bonuses it only applies to a base number, whereas with a fluid bonus it applies to all modifiers.

I think that's the right answer as well because you could work your way into an infinite fluid or static bonus with the INFINITE Omnific Ability.

Nevertheless I'm curious in your take.

Divine wouldn't have a multiplier. Transcendental I always thought x10 or an incremental x2, x3, x4, x5 etc. increasing each round.

Gotcha, that's what I thought.

I was staring £125 ($250) or thereabouts in the face.

I could have afforded it (just about), but I just wasn't willing to fork it out given

A) My requirements (I haven't played a PC game in years, I don't want to have to spend £125 just to run Pagemaker, Word and browse the internet)
B) My financial situation (which is stable, if not exactly rosey).

Understood; I am glad to hear things are going well with Mongoose.