Odd but legal?

[hong]

That's too big to use as an avatar.

 

[James McMurray]

You're reading the commas wrong.

That's not bring; or take; or pull out. It's bring out; or take out; or pull out.

What's your point? It still doesn't change that you're taking the weapon out of the hand, thus drawing it from a source.

And according to your site, chestnut and salmon are synonyms. Despite this, "That car is chestnut in colour" and "That car is salmon in colour" will somehow manage to conjure wholly different images in people's minds. The words might be synonyms, but that doesn't mean they're used in the same way.

So what you're saying is that if you break a paradigm and introduce something silly that looks legal but doesn't actually fit, the results are nonsensical?

I agree completely, and am glad you finally understand.

 

[Hypersmurf]

What's your point? It still doesn't change that you're taking the weapon out of the hand, thus drawing it from a source.

And it still doesn't change that removing a sword from a hand is not an appropriate use of 'draw'.

English synonyms are subtler than that.

-Hyp.

 

[James McMurray]

I'm not talking synonymns, that was merely an amusing afterthought. I'm talking direct definitions. you know, those things I linked to several times.

Since you apparently can't follow the links on your own, I'll spell it out for you:

1) draw: to bring, take, or pull out, as from a receptacle or source

boiled down to its essence, this simply says "to take." If you feel a source is a mandatory part of that definition despite the "as from" part, then it means "to take from a source."

2) source: any thing or place from which something comes, arises, or is obtained; origin

Again, boiled down this simply says "anywhere something comes from."

3) draw therefore means "to take from anywhere something comes from."

4) hand: (noun) the terminal, prehensile part of the upper limb in humans and other primates, consisting of the wrist, metacarpal area, fingers, and thumb.

A hand, being a noun, is most definitely a contender for status of "any thing or place"

Unless you're contending that the sword is not coming from the hand but from some other location, it is most definitely being taken from the hand, and therefore drawn from the hand.

Again, it's your turn to show where two can equal one.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Unless you're contending that the sword is not coming from the hand but from some other location, it is most definitely being taken from the hand, and therefore drawn from the hand.

If I drive my car out of the garage, I am bringing it out from a source.

But I'm not drawing it.

English is more subtle than that.

-Hyp.

 

[Moon-Lancer]

he drew the car slowly out from the garage, the dark suspicious van on the other side of the street from last week was still their. They were probably listening to him right now, listening to the fear that pounded in his heart as adrenaline surged though his veins.

seems to work just fine

 

[hong]

It was a dark and stormy night. Suddenly, a sword drew out!

 

[Veril]

Arugeing over English. the last refuge of the desperate.

D&D rules: drawing a weapon so you can make an attack with it is a move action.

It's really really simple. In the examples I quoted Hyp said he was uncomfortable with what can be done the way he thinks it should work, although fails to find any rules citation to disprove it.

My method: Putting a hand onto a weapon in order to attack using that hand being a draw action makes everything work and disalows all these silly corner cases.

Keeps the sules, simple, clear and consistant.

 

[James McMurray]

If I drive my car out of the garage, I am bringing it out from a source.

But I'm not drawing it.

English is more subtle than that.

-Hyp.

Unless the car is a weapon you're readying to use in combat it's immaterial to the discussion at hand. If it is a weapon you're preparing to use in combat, then by both D&D and English definitions you drew it.

I agree that english can be subtle, but in this case the definitions are blatantly clear.

It's still your turn to explain how 2 is defined as 1. Since you've consistently ignored the request, I'll assume you can't do it and your entire argument falls apart.

Thank you for your time.

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

I think the fundamental issue is whether a general principle can be deduced from a corner case. I would not necessarily look to a feat such as Quickdraw for guidance on how I should understand the basic TWF rules.