[OOC] The Endless Falls Character Discussion Thread

[Rikandur Azebol]

Grammar nazi ? I could find uses for thee.

Yeah, that's the idea. The thing to pay attention to is whether he has Akumunaga drawn or not. Basically, there are three personalities at work here. Arion has a "base" personality, which is very, very bardic. He makes snide comments, prances about giving speeches, and loses badly in melee combat of any kind.

SO why You don't take instead of ,Practiced Spellcaster, some fasttalk feat ... or Dash or if it's epic, speed bump ? Bards who are pacifists by nature, know that fast legs and gold tongue are essential in their proffesion.

Akumunaga's personality is sort of evilly good. It was designed from the beginning to kill people by whatever means necessary, but it is only sentient because Arion (a basically good person, and nearly a pacifist) has infused it with that portion of his being and those memories that he doesn't want to deal with as being part of himself. It's CG-CN, but an utterly ruthless version of said alignment.

When Arion has Akumunaga drawn (which he rarely does), these two are no longer separate personalities. They effectively form one composite entity that has a skill set significantly different from that of "base" Arion, and generally have killing someone or otherwise navigating some exceptionally dangerous situation on their mind. Think of this as being sorta like Arion goals and Akumunaga's methods.

Good ... so sword is ninja, and Arion is typical anime hero youth, yep ?
Now it's all clearer. But sword still have hard time with this stubbor bleeding heart.

So I suppose the compromise here is to fill out the personality and appearance sections of my character sheet. I've been meaning to do so, but other things keep eating up the discretionary time I would use for that. I'm pretty lazy when it comes to that stuff anyway, as a rule...

* - I am a grammar nazi, just so you know. I don't mean to offend you, and I'll stop if you ask, but I try to correct posted quotations. Since you might be in the process of learning English, maybe you don't mind my corrections.

Feel free to correct me, and be ready to explain.
It is that obvious that english isn't my primary landguage ? Damn, why I still make so many mistakes ... where is perfection that I'm looking for.

As for why I don't do what you did and boost my saves, it's for two reasons: a) I think what you've done is cheesy beyond my tolerance levels, and I don't want to do something like that, and b) I think my saves are just fine, and I rather look forward to rolling some saves with my fingers crossed, hoping for some number above 2. Plus, I've been saying we should all aim for some range (I proposed one, but I'm not married to it), not that you, in particular and in company with nobody else, should lower your saves.

I didn't boost my saves from just one reason. Tsunami have other protections wich make her almost invurnerable in meele against NORMAL cratures. And I would give Wrahn's Earthshaker CR 35 for elefant is almost indestructible.

And If I know that my Maug could not make the save ... it forces me to think before wading carelessly into the combat. And force me to empasize tactics ! It will not end like my wizard, about wich I asked Wrahn earlier, who make himself doublesword with personality of 20 lvl fighter inside. And some CHEESY spells. (True strike, Tenser's transformation, Haste / once per day ) Enough to say that Riki could mop the floor with Fighter of equal lvl. WIch shouldn't be. Only these paladins are real pain in the ... ehem.

I understand that Wrahn prepared Rhaveon for future, in advance, so I dare to speak. And don't be soo pinpointing abot nagging that elefant is broken, Kel. Just ask Wrahn about his motives, and if he would like ... he would explain. It's that simple.

To be honest I was learning this simple truth for years.

Wrahn, did You created Rhaveon to be ready for taking on Gods ?

Ferrix, sorry ... simply, because of memorised pictures from the PsHB I get impression that all psions should be bald. Didn't intend to make You uneasy. Good that I didn't write how in my mind's eye Zack's ... dragon-half is looking.

 

[Wrahn]

Yeah but the Elder Titan is ECL 70+,
Pit the Elder Titan against a wizard 30 and the wizard is toast.

welcome to the faulty nature of Challenge ratings, heaven knows that an Elder Titan would kick the crap out of an "average" 30th level caster all things being equal, but then again I think our group would beat the Elder Titan too.

 

[Wrahn]

I find myself getting as exasperated as Isida.

for the time being I am going to ignore these rants and go with my original assessment, if there is a problem, we can address it later, right now, no one has shown me there is a problem.

Rikandur-

Some of the big dieties have DCs way beyond Rahveons save (Look at Thor DC 112 fort save or die every time he hits)

How Rahveon came to be is his name "Mountain-Shaker". I thought of the name as being very epic and began building a character around it. I knew the African Elephant Anthropomorphic Animal gave huge strength bonuses and that a Half-Dragon gave large bonuses also. I have always liked the Dragon Disciple so I decided to go with that. So that got me started thinking about how he would become one.

A tribal society seemed to be inspired by the favored class: Barbarian, leading me down the road of spirit worship. Leading me to the great fire serpent spirit that protected the Undellas. A dragon. Then the question became why would such a dragon take a disciple?

Anyway, Bard as a lorekeeper seemed as good a reason as any to take bard and Holy Liberator is suggested from his wandering righting wrongs and the like. Though since I posted right away with a build and had no access to my books I just excluded the Holy Liberator.

So to answer your question, no, I did not make my character specifically to stand against the gods. I made him expecting to be the focal point of an enemies damage, to withstand things others could not, but I am not sure that I could make a character capable of standing up to at least some of the gods.

 

[Rikandur Azebol]

Some of the big dieties have DCs way beyond Rahveons save (Look at Thor DC 112 fort save or die every time he hits)

So to answer your question, no, I did not make my character specifically to stand against the gods. I made him expecting to be the focal point of an enemies damage, to withstand things others could not, but I am not sure that I could make a character capable of standing up to at least some of the gods.

God of Death may kill whole party with a glance, except Tsunami.

I understand, and were suspecting as much, seeing his HP's. And saves.
Rhaveon is so called "tank", guy who will recive blows that will make ribbons from all other kids. From the other point of view, without support he may quickly fell to massed "fire". Round after him, rest of the party goes to their ancestors.

And Yes, from my point of view Rhaveon can kill most of the gods who aren't combat oriented, in meele. At lest those from avaible to me sources. Infernal would be greater pain in the ... back, for Rhaveon than some of the gods.

And Thor can be tricked. Look at Loki, he alvays have his way with this fool.

Now I have full view of Rhaveon and I agree that he should have BIG saves.
You have my moral support now. Damn ... It was me who created character to be as self sufficent as possible ... Habit of being last man standing, I guess.

And my wizard died, sob, Planetar assasinated him ... and took his soul to heavens for "trial". Sigh ... next one will be rogue.

 

[Ferrix]

Well, let's get a jump on the IC thread then.

 

[Wrahn]

Eep! Planetar Assassin, shesh, your wizard must have done something very bad to get planetars to assassinate you. Sorry to hear about the loss.

 

[Kelleris]

Rikandur - Unfortunately the God of Death could just default to his second option: a severe beating.

And I have learned through long personal experience that you can justify anything, no matter how cheesy, with some creativity in the background. And Wrahn definitely has a cool background going. For what it's worth (*sigh*) I agree that Rahveon should have high saves. I just think there's a difference between "high and within reasonable limits" and "cheesy, broken-high."

Ferrix, could you add your additional Astral Construct levels (X - XIV?) to your character sheet? I's like to see what they look like. I'm thinking I can drop my AC and make it up with Expertise and fighting defensively. On looking at the ELH creatures and whipping up some quick NPCs, it looks like the AC is okay (high, but that's what I wanted), but the attack bonus is just too high.

I'm not familiar with a universe in which a supposedly (hah!) CR 30 monster has an attack bonus of 87-72 and an AC of 58 (high for his level), and this purportedly makes sense.

Anyway. Killing two birds with one stone here. I'll be able to drop that icky Duelist level and cannibalize my too-high attack bonus to make up for it. I'd just like to see your astral guys for reference (now and just generally speaking).

 

[Ferrix]

I don't want to post it in my character sheet cause it'll take up four scrolling pages. I'll try to search back in the OOC thread and put a link.

 

[Kelleris]

Fair enough. Just as long as everyone can get at it. Don't suppose you remember the usual AC and attack bonus off the top of your head?

 

[Ferrix]

Here's the links also, they're at the end of my char sheet as well.

Links to Astral Constructor Stuff
Related Feats
Epic Astral Constructs and Compiled Menus

Astral Constructs
10th level - Attack +36, AC 35
11th level - Attack +40, AC 37
12th level - Attack +44, AC 39
13th level - Attack +46, AC 41
14th level - Attack +50, AC 43
15th level - Attack +54, AC 45

I followed the general progression that they use in the existing astral constructs as my guideline, where AC's generally increased by 2 and attack increased by 4 (2 from BAB, 2 from increased strength) every level of the construct.