D&D (2024) PHB 2024 Is Hilariously Broken. Most OP of All Time?

[clearstream]

so... which is it? Is the reader to find your specific RAI behind the words and use that or are they to follow your earlier position where:

It seems that the "intent" of your words is that the reader should give their own meaning to the words they read unless it's inconvenient for you. If that is the case then it would be reasonable to expect wotc to provide an errata for everyone else.

Consider the following D&D 2024 rules text (emphasis mine)

Successfully grappling a creature gives it the Grappled condition.​

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Why doesn't "gives" require errata, seeing as it lacks a technical definition in the current game text.

 

[Ashrym]

Consider the following D&D 2024 rules text (emphasis mine)

Successfully grappling a creature gives it the Grappled condition.​

​

Why doesn't "gives" require errata, seeing as it lacks a technical definition in the current game text.

I like this point. If we're going to argue semantics and appeal to definitions for the rulings we want then "give" implies consent and participation in achieving those rulings, which is counter to the desires of the target; therefore this example illustrates how that approach in arguing can be faulty

I'd keep it simpler. If someone is strong enough that the weight is within their carrying capacity restrictions let them drag to the side. They're strong enough to do that. If they're dragging because they're limited by those weight restrictions then they need to drag behind.

It allows for both within a "makes sense" ruling that also uses those existing rules without contradiction.

 

[mellored]

Pun pun was theoretical and required more than the phb.

I specifically said phb only and at levells people actually play. By that level 1-10 (or even 1-7).

4E for example had a kill Orcus combo on release. But it was level 25 or so which falls into the theoretical camp for me (translation care factor 0)

I don't remember all the details, but the 4e's worst was something like...

When you die, you can make an attack (Half-Orc?)
-that attack can be an cantrip (AoE with half on a miss)
When you kill a creature, you gain a few HP
You can stand up for free.
When you stand up, you can move 5e'.

Now all you had to do was kill yourself, heal, stand and move 5', and kill yourself with an AoE. You could kill everything in one turn unless it was behind a door.

I don't remember all the details, and most of 4e's errata was adding "once per turn" which probably quashed it.

 

[Zardnaar]

I don't remember all the details, but the 4e's worst was something like...

When you die, you can make an attack (Half-Orc?)
-that attack can be an cantrip (AoE)
When you kill a creature, you gain HP
You can stand up for free.
When you stand up, you can move 5e'.

Now all you had to do was kill yourself, heal, stand and move 5', and kill yourself with an AoE.

I don't remember all the details, and most of 4e's errata was adding "once per turn" which probably quashed it.

No idea I only remember the ranger killing orcus before the phb was released.

It was mostly theorycrafting and got errated fairly fast.

4E broke the game in different ways than 3.5.

 

[mellored]

No idea I only remember the ranger killing orcus before the phb was released.

It was mostly theorycrafting and got errated fairly fast.

4E broke the game in different ways than 3.5.

Yea, but that one creature.

The other build could destroy every creature in the world in 1 turn, unless they where behind a closed door.
Infinite loop of damage and movement.

2024 Conjure Minor Elemental can kill Orcus in a turn, 2 if you get surprised, but that's the only thing I think is broken so far.

 

[Zardnaar]

Yea, but that one creature.

The other build could destroy every creature in the world in 1 turn, unless they where behind a closed door.
Infinite loop of damage and movement.

2024 Conjure Minor Elemental can kill Orcus in a turn, 2 if you get surprised, but that's the only thing I think is broken so far.

CME I missed it on bard. Nova potential on wizards, Druid idk if I would bother.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I didn't know we were including accidental exploits in this edition war.

~begins assembling commoners on a straight line pointing toward his enemies and arming fighters with bags of rats~

 

[mellored]

CME I missed it on bard. Nova potential on wizards, Druid idk if I would bother.

Dip sorcerer for quicken and warlock for Eldritch Blast.

Valor Bard or Bladesinger adds more attacks too, including Eldritch Blast with Haste and Action Surge.

But even a straight wizard can, with a little preparation (and you have Find Creature, Scry and more), can do serious damage on turn 1.

Foresight (9th)
CME (8th)
ScorchingRay (7rh)

(2d6+10d8)* 8 = 496
* 84% accuracy = 416.64 (+ crits)
Vs 405 HP.

So yea, a straight wizard can, with a little preparation and not terrible rolls, can kill Orcus in 1 turn.

 

[Zardnaar]

Dip sorcerer for quicken and warlock for Eldritch Blast.

Valor Bard or Bladesinger adds more attacks too, including Eldritch Blast with Haste and Action Surge.

But even a straight wizard can, with a little preparation (and you have Find Creature, Scry and more), can do serious damage on turn 1.

Foresight (9th)
CME (8th)
ScorchingRay (7rh)

(2d6+10d8)* 8 = 496
* 84% accuracy = 416.64 (+ crits)
Vs 405 HP.

So yea, a straight wizard can, with a little preparation and not terrible rolls, can kill Orcus in 1 turn.

Assuming Orcus is an idiot and you blow a level 7, 8 and 9 spell slot.

You can already heat CME with simulacrum abuse lower level forcecage+ sickening radiance.
It's why I'm not that concerned about CME. Breaking its mostly theoretical and there's already other abuses it's just one more.

Level 10 valor bard with nick though. Throw in Dual wield feat. Hmmnn.

When was the last tine a PC cast foresight? Never.

 

[mellored]

Assuming Orcus is an idiot and you blow a level 7, 8 and 9 spell slot.

You can already heat CME with simulacrum abuse lower level forcecage+ sickening radiance

That now takes 2 people, an gives several turns for minions to break concentration.

Also seems like Cloud of Daggers would be better. No save.

Level 10 valor bard with nick though. Throw in Dual wield feat. Hmmnn.

Valor + Eldritch Blast + Nick + Dual Wielding = 7 attacks
*xd8 from CME.

You will 1 shot most things.

Bladesinger too.

When was the last tine a PC cast foresight? Never.

That's because there wasn't any good attack rolls for high level wizards to make, and plenty of other ways to get advantage.
Like Greater Invisibly.