Pineapple Express: Someone Is Wrong on the Internet?

[AnotherGuy]

When you have critique of female characters, and you will twist and turn, stretch and bend like Plastic Man to justify how male characters from the same property are not similar, I am sorry, but that's bogus too.

When the vehemence of criticism only seems to land on movies with female leads, again, I'm sorry, that's stretching credulity.

It is a fact that there are more female leads these days, particularly in the action genre market, which is likely to attract more critique as fandom movies do.
George Clooney and Schumacher got plenty of vitriol for Batman and Robin and Ryan Reynolds did no one any favours with Green Lantern, but neither of them had the crappy scripted lines that the poor actress had to utter in that Batwoman series and I cannot remember any of male-led movie attacking the opposite-sex fanbase as She-Hulk apparently did.

The attacks on the female leads is dead wrong, who is at fault are the producers and script-writers, they deserve a special hell for the utter contempt they have shown on many previous works of love. And again sadly, when an actor or actress defends them, as presumably they are forced, contractually or otherwise, to do on occasion, they likely get into the line of fire from the online mob and the rehearsed x-farms.

Case in point - the actor of Tyrion Lannister in GoT who decided to defend D&D (not the RPG) with that cowardly comment. It is what it is.

 

[overgeeked]

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde, "The Internet", probably.

People tend to be less in-your-face when the opportunity exists to feed them their own teeth - Ryujin

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” —Robert E. Howard

 

[Ryujin]

UR MAKING ABRAHAM LINCOLN SAD!

Then he should be more careful about what he posts.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Then he should be more careful about what he posts.

A Freudian slip is when you say one thing when you're thinking about your mother.
-Abraham Lincoln

 

[Umbran]

Where my personal line in all this is is when people go after individuals and beyond simply criticizing content.

Fine.

You do realize though that's not the only way harm is done, right? "Criticism" can also perpetuate negative perceptions and stereotypes, and that has real-world impacts.

People are going to have to learn to talk to each other and live with each other having very different opinions about media and not see the devil in the other side all the time

You see, here's the thing - so far, this really looks like, "People have to learn to take criticism, but we don't have to learn how to give it."

More completely, the point is more that people are going to have to learn that they speak within a context, and that one should adapt to that context. This is one of the most basic rules of communication: Know the audience.

If you are in a context where women and minorities are treated unfairly, maybe you need to think about that when offering criticism, and adjust the presentation to suit.

 

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[Bedrockgames]

You see, here's the thing - so far, this really looks like, "People have to learn to take criticism, but we don't have to learn how to give it."

I am in the middle of a work out, so just answering this point quickly (didn't want the rushed response to look glib). This isn't what I am saying. I am saying 1) when someone makes a criticism, read their criticism fairly and try to accurately understand their point without projecting other issues onto it 2) when someone makes something, critique the work, don't assume things about a person's character because of something they have made and don't make the criticism personal. So I am appealing to everyone to not make personal issues out of debates over media and to not mistreat people (whether they are critics or creators)

 

[Bedrockgames]

More completely, the point is more that people are going to have to learn that they speak within a context, and that one should adapt to that context. This is one of the most basic rules of communication: Know the audience.

If you are in a context where women and minorities are treated unfairly, maybe you need to think about that when offering criticism, and adjust the presentation to suit.

1) I do this. In my critiques of the star wars films for example, I took pains to explain that I liked Rey a lot as a character and the actress who played her and I liked Rose Tico (and thought the actress who played her did a great job). 2) Someone criticizing those characters or their stories in a movie, doesn't automatically mean it is about sexism or racism though 3) This can be taken to a level of paternalism that is equally unfair to the performers and creators: their work should be able to be judged the way we judge all content

 

[trappedslider]

In America you (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
In Soviet Russia ┬─┬ ︵ /(.□. \）

 

[Ryujin]

A Freudian slip is when you say one thing when you're thinking about your mother.
-Abraham Lincoln

Silly me. I thought it was an Austrian undergarment.