Pirates of Caribbean logic question MAJOR SPOILER

[Dagger75]

This is just my understanding of the curse, mind you there are holes to it.

I think the coins had to be stolen, then used for a payment. Capt Jack may have been captain of the Black Pearl when they STOLE the coins but there was a mutiney before he could SPEND the money. Granted I don't know why he wasn't cursed when he first stole the gold, maybe he wasn't captain of the Black Pearl, I don't know but he did become cursed when he stole that coin from the Pirate. He never spent it there.

Will's father would have been cursed. Will wasn't cause he was given the coin, he never stole it.

The girl should have been cursed cause she did steal the coin from Will. Maybe the curse was biased towards women who knows.

Its one of those convient Hollywood curses.

 

[WizarDru]

This is just my understanding of the curse, mind you there are holes to it.

You're right, there are holes in your understanding.

The curse was very specific. Anyone who stole the Aztec coins from the stone chest that was sent to Cortez would become one of the living dead.

CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow foolishly lets first mate Barbossa know where the Aztec gold can be found. Barbossa leads a mutiny, deposes Sparrow and maroons him. Barbossa THEN goes to get the gold. AFTER, not BEFORE. No curse for Sparrow. *DING* Curse for the mutineers and THEIR captain, Barbossa.

CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow stole a coin from the chest while trying to fool Barbossa. *DING* Instant curse. No payment involved.

Eliza takes the coin off of an unconscious Will Turner...not from the chest. No curse.

Will Turner's dad took the coin, but felt bad afterwards. He sent the coin on to his son. He took it from the stone chest. *DING* He's cursed.

It's pretty consistent. I think your confusion over the timing of the gold may be confusing you.

As for Will's dad: he should be dead...but if you were an undead freak, would you want to drop in on the son you virtually abandoned 12 years prior? He could just as easily have escaped his watery prison (10 years is a long time to work on your bonds and then walk across the ocean floor) and gone into hiding/disguise. But I'm inclined to think he's dead. However, with sequels...who knows?

 

[mmu1]

The curse was very specific. Anyone who stole the Aztec coins from the stone chest that was sent to Cortez would become one of the living dead.

CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow foolishly lets first mate Barbossa know where the Aztec gold can be found. Barbossa leads a mutiny, deposes Sparrow and maroons him. Barbossa THEN goes to get the gold. AFTER, not BEFORE. No curse for Sparrow. *DING* Curse for the mutineers and THEIR captain, Barbossa.

CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow stole a coin from the chest while trying to fool Barbossa. *DING* Instant curse. No payment involved.

Eliza takes the coin off of an unconscious Will Turner...not from the chest. No curse.

Will Turner's dad took the coin, but felt bad afterwards. He sent the coin on to his son. He took it from the stone chest. *DING* He's cursed.

It's pretty consistent. I think your confusion over the timing of the gold may be confusing you.

As for Will's dad: he should be dead...but if you were an undead freak, would you want to drop in on the son you virtually abandoned 12 years prior? He could just as easily have escaped his watery prison (10 years is a long time to work on your bonds and then walk across the ocean floor) and gone into hiding/disguise. But I'm inclined to think he's dead. However, with sequels...who knows?

Actually, the curse is pretty arbitrary in the way it works - we know that if you actually stick your hand into the chest and take a coin, you're cursed, and that's about all that's certain.

There are many other ways of coming across the gold that don't involve getting the curse - else there'd be a lot of undead whores and innkeepers scattered around the Carribean... So the magic is capable of deciding who has a "share" in the curse.

As for someone thinking they needed Will's father's blood because he was cursed... How do you imagine that was gong to work, since the undead pirates clearly didn't bleed real blood?

Given all that, if he we was undead, he probably could have worked himself loose and walked his way out, since the gold "called" to everyone who was cursed, and so would have provided him with some rudimentary sense of direction...

 

[WizarDru]

Actually, the curse is pretty arbitrary in the way it works - we know that if you actually stick your hand into the chest and take a coin, you're cursed, and that's about all that's certain.

I'm missing the part where it's arbitrary. That sounds pretty straightforward to me. If they made a reference in the movie that the gold was handed out to the men, I missed it. I could easily argue that they walked up to the chest, and took their alloted share right out of it....that makes sense, matches what they said and fits the curse. It sounds like you're assuming they didn't, which does make the curse 'choose' who has a piece. But that makes things needlessly complicated for no particular reason.

As for someone thinking they needed Will's father's blood because he was cursed... How do you imagine that was gong to work, since the undead pirates clearly didn't bleed real blood?

Given all that, if he we was undead, he probably could have worked himself loose and walked his way out, since the gold "called" to everyone who was cursed, and so would have provided him with some rudimentary sense of direction...

We don't have enough info to say if they're right or wrong, frankly. We don't know how they learned all the details of the curse or even where Jack got that compass, for that matter.

Presumably, the curse wasn't an immediate change, or they'd have noticed it the very first night. From Barbossa's description, they went on about their business for some time, until they realized they were cursed. It's safe to say that they sunk Will's father in this time. The only thing that doesn't fit that is Jack's transformation from the curse, which I'd chalk up to cinematics overwhelming the backstory.

 

[Umbran]

Actually, the curse is pretty arbitrary in the way it works - we know that if you actually stick your hand into the chest and take a coin, you're cursed, and that's about all that's certain.

And that's all you really need. The only way to get cursed is to take the gold directly from teh chest. Coming into posession of the gold another way doesn't do it.

As for someone thinking they needed Will's father's blood because he was cursed... How do you imagine that was gong to work, since the undead pirates clearly didn't bleed real blood?

Don't know how it works, but it's clear it does. Barbossa explicitly says so. When he's about to sacrifice the governor's daughter, and is giving his speech to the men, he notes something to the effect of "We have all paid in blood", and then goes on to how it's the lady's turn.

Will's father wasn't around to make that payment, so the child of his blood must do so.

 

[kingpaul]

As for someone thinking they needed Will's father's blood because he was cursed... How do you imagine that was gong to work, since the undead pirates clearly didn't bleed real blood?

Ummm...Sparrow, after taking a coin and becoming undead, cut his hand and bled on his coin, then tossed it to Will. Seems to me that they can bleed.

 

[mmu1]

Ummm...Sparrow, after taking a coin and becoming undead, cut his hand and bled on his coin, then tossed it to Will. Seems to me that they can bleed.

No he didn't. He threw the coin to Will, Barbossa aimed a gun at Elizabeth to (presumably) stop Will from doing anything with it, Sparrow shot Barbosa, who laughed at him for wasting a shot, Sparrow replied it wasn't a waste and pointed to Will, who cut his hand, smeared both the medallion and the coin Sparrow threw him with blood, and dropped them in. Trust me, seen it three times.

 

[Saba Taru]

Hrm...

I've seen it twice, and both times I remember Sparrow holding the coin, slicing his hand with his sword, and tossing the coin to Will. Will then takes his own coin and slices his own hand to bleed on it (all off screen supposition). When the camera cuts back to Will after Sparrow shoots Barbossa (or however you spell that dratted man's name), Will drops both coins (the slice on his own hand obviously visible), the bottom halves of which are blood covered, into the chest and the nasty captain drops dead.

I guess I'll have to see it again, but that's how I remember it.

 

[drnuncheon]

No he didn't. He threw the coin to Will, Barbossa aimed a gun at Elizabeth to (presumably) stop Will from doing anything with it, Sparrow shot Barbosa, who laughed at him for wasting a shot, Sparrow replied it wasn't a waste and pointed to Will, who cut his hand, smeared both the medallion and the coin Sparrow threw him with blood, and dropped them in. Trust me, seen it three times.

Watch it a fourth time. Before he throws the coin to Will, Sparrow cuts his own hand and bleeds on it.

J

 

[Ei]

Actually, those undead priates do bleed. Remember the scene where Eliz stabbed capt Barbossa with the kitchen knife? When Barbossa pulled the knife out it has his blood on it.

Apparently, the priates don't turn into skeletons unless they are under the moonlight, and when they look like normal human they still bleed like normal.