Pirates of Caribbean logic question MAJOR SPOILER

[kingpaul]

His most famous material, of course, are being the bad guy in 'Tomorrow never Dies', a series of popular car commericals (infinit, iirc), Jack in 'Jumping Jack Flash', 'GlenGarry GlenRoss', 'Ronin', and lots of others, including, of course, 'Evita'.

Wow, totally missed the Bond connection. Haven't seent he other movies though.

 

[Hand of Evil]

It looks like there is going to be another one! Sci-fi Wire...

Pirates Sequel Sets Sail

Banking on the success of its Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl, Disney is already talking about a sequel to the theme-park-ride-inspired movie, according to The Hollywood Reporter. Disney has reportedly made sequel arrangements with key cast members Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley, as well as with producer Jerry Bruckheimer and director Gore Verbinski, the trade paper reported.

The studio has also begun talks with Pirates writers Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio about drafting a sequel, though no specific storyline has yet been set, the trade paper reported. Since opening a week ago, Pirates has taken in more than $78 million.

 

[Kid Charlemagne]

Don't forget "The Adventures of Baron Munchausen"

Even more importantly, don't forget "Brazil"! One of the best movies of the last 20 years, and he was the lead actor.

 

[Terraism]

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It looks like there is going to be another one! Sci-fi Wire...

Pirates Sequel Sets Sail

On this note, and I haven't yet spoken to anyone else who sees this as I did, but... when the pirates are explaining the fate of Bloom's father, they say that they strapped him to a cannon and sunk him, ten years prior. Now, since he couldn't have drowned, is it possible he's still alive? I mean, ten years - I think that given that much time, someone could manage to get themselves "un-tied-up." Anyone think this makes some degree of sense?

 

[mmu1]

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On this note, and I haven't yet spoken to anyone else who sees this as I did, but... when the pirates are explaining the fate of Bloom's father, they say that they strapped him to a cannon and sunk him, ten years prior. Now, since he couldn't have drowned, is it possible he's still alive? I mean, ten years - I think that given that much time, someone could manage to get themselves "un-tied-up." Anyone think this makes some degree of sense?

It does, but only if you assume he wasn't dropped in deep enough to be completely crushed by the pressure. (Although a skeleton might not be... People get crushed because we're filled with water and have a different internal pressure, bare bones might be able to stand up to high pressures better.)

You'd also have to assume that he was subject to the curse and not actually alive at the time he was dumped overboard.
Barbossa makes it sounds like the initial transformation caused by the curse was pretty gradual, and it's also obviosuly possible for someone to physically own the coin without having a "share" in the curse (the way Will and Elizabeth did).
So if Will's father was opposed to betraying Jack Sparrow and the actions of the crew leading to the recovery of the chest, he might have very well been alive when they dumped him overboard... The fact that they needed his blood also suggests that might have been the case.

 

[kingpaul]

The fact that they needed his blood also suggests that might have been the case.

I think the fact that they needed his blood means he was subject to the curse. Remember, anyone who took a coin out of the chest became subject to it. Since he sent one to his son, he would be subject to it. Now, Capt. Sparrow took a coin out, and we could see him as a skeleton in the moon light a mere, what, 5-10 minutes after doing so. Perhaps the deprivation of the senses is what happened over time. I think the idea that Wil's father will be in the sequel a valid one.

 

[WizarDru]

I assumed that whether or not Will's father was cursed, he was lost to the sea so badly that he couldn't be retrieved. They dropped him into the depths of the ocean, and without something to use as a reference point, they probably had no idea where he was, even if he was still undead.

Given that they didn't really understand the curse for some time, it may have been weeks or months before they realized their mistake, and by then it was too late, the sea had probably reclaimed him. Most likely, he was buried under the sand of the ocean floor, virtually unretreivable.

 

[Umbran]

From how I see it, Will's father should be quite dead. Will's father was certianly cursed, or else they'd not have needed his blood. From what we see of Capt. Sparrow, the curse takes very little time to start up - it just takes a while for the person to notice, if they aren't in moolight.

So, Dad is undead, attached to a cannon on the sea floor. All of a sudden, the curse is lifted, and he's quite alive... but still on the sea floor. Not good for Dad.

Unless you want to posit that Dad managed to get off the sea floor. But, if he really was a "good man", would he not then have gone looking for his son? I suppose it's possible...

 

[Hand of Evil]

It would be interesting to see how the curse was worded. Orlando's characher was imune, as kid he had coin but never showed signs of the curse. The girl took the coin and having the coin did not affect her. I think the curse was directed at the 'crew' of the Black Pearl, Sparrow was part of that crew, it is also why the curse effected animals.

 

[GMVictory]

I think the curse was upon any who "took" the treasure from the stone chest where it was stored. Simple possession of the coins was not enough to enact the curse.

Jack Sparrow, excuse me, CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow took a coin from the stone chest and met the conditions of the curse.