Project Daedalus OOC thread

[Mimic]

Wait, maybe this was who I was talking about that was scary...I'm confused...

When I first read it I thought, 31? Is that even possible for a D20 game?

 

[Tokiwong]

this is way possible especially for M&M sheesh guys time to step up to the big leagues

 

[Hammerhead]

Although still, a 31 is still a good hit. She probably rolled an 18 or 19 or something. Or she was using a feat like All-Out Attack.

Don't mess with American Freedom.

 

[Calinon]

this is way possible especially for M&M sheesh guys time to step up to the big leagues

I don't know that anyone playing in this campaign has books for M&M yet other than Agamon, so I don't know how we could possibly understand what is and what is not possible without asking, questioning and generally harassing Agamon about game mechanics. Seeing a 31 as an attack result, and that not being a crit, is rather mind boggling.

Stepping up to the big leagues sounds like this sort of conversation:

GM: The six of you are walking along a sunny path. Birds are chirping, a gentle breeze is swaying and grain is waving in the fields to either side of the path. Suddenly, six ogres leap out from the field, surrounding you and swinging massive two handed clubs at you in a bloodthirsty frenzy.
Players: SIX OGRES!?
Player 1: Dude, we're level 1!
Player 2: Holy crap, can we run?
GM: Nope, you have no avenue of escape. Time to step up to the big leagues!
Player 3: Remind me again why I spent seven hours in character creation?

Agamon does this to us all the time, whether it is ogres, exploding goblin hordes, unstoppable dragons or 40' high rabid elk (those, if memory serves me, all happened in a 2 week span of playing). JE and Evolution are ogres, and we are level one characters. Par for the course, but it'd be nice to fight things needing more than a 5 to hit me. Just once I'd like this to happen:

GM: The six of you are walking along a sunny path. Birds are chirping, a gentle breeze is swaying and grain is waving in the fields to either side of you. Suddenly, six naked midget kobolds spring from the field directly into your midst. You have them surrounded.
Players: Naked midget kobolds!?
GM: Yes.
Player 1: Whew, for a minute I was worried they'd be ogres.
Player 2: We have them surrounded?
GM: Yes.
Player 3: Could they possilby escape?
GM: Nope.
Player 4: I look at them funny.
Player 5: I laugh openly.
Player 6: I suggest they step up to the big leagues and proceed to slaughter them, secretly hoping they are vital NPC's that the GM spent hours creating specifically to advance the adventure along.
GM: ...
Player 6: Sucks, don't it?

I think nobody has an issue with it being difficult to hit an opponent, if the opponent is equally matched for your group. But fighting overpowering odds with no hope of actual victory, whether you are naked midget kobolds or level one characters against ogres, or even low power heroes against high power heroes, is not exactly stepping up to the big leagues. It's like sending a peewee baseball team up against the starting lineup of the Yankees or the Canadiens up against the Senators.

(I really think I captured the essence of Agamon in the first conversation )

 

[Mimic]

I don't think it's that bad, I took out Sandstone in one shot. We just need to work as a team (like not running off to a fight that is 3 football fields away) and get some good rolls in. Now that they are out of VP (hope, hope, hope) they should start dropping.

 

[Calinon]

I don't think it's that bad, I took out Sandstone in one shot. We just need to work as a team (like not running off to a fight that is 3 football fields away) and get some good rolls in. Now that they are out of VP (hope, hope, hope) they should start dropping.

I'm sure they aren't out of VP. Each NPC has villian points based on the character. I had a long e-mail talk about this with Agamon. They have the same restrictions and benefits as we do. I think I recall in one round Random used a VP and someone else did as well, which would mean they weren't drawing from the same pool.

Naked midget kobolds man; naked midget kobolds.

 

[Calinon]

Naked midget kobolds man; naked midget kobolds.

Oh my word. Aggy can use this as his new sig!

GM'ing... one NMK encounter at a time!

Ahhh, here comes the pain.

 

[Hammerhead]

Well, six ogres at level is "doable." I still wouldn't like to try it, but you could win. However, how did six Ogres sneak up on your characters? Were you guys wearing blindfolds at the time or what?

Actually, all of the Villain Points come from a single pool. Also, bear in mind that Villain Points cannot be used to heal five stun hits, whereas Hero Points can (don't confuse that with being able to recover from Stun, which Villains and Heroes can do).

A 31 isn't that unreasonable. Say Screaming Eagle has about 7 Base Attack, a +5 Dex, Attack Focus, and is using All-Out Attack, decreasing her AC. That's an Attack bonus of 14-18 right there.

Yet another reason why Legacy is cooler than these losers at Project: Daedalus. We could have kicked their butts.

EDIT: Stupid smilies.

 

[Calinon]

Well, six ogres at level is "doable." I still wouldn't like to try it, but you could win. However, how did six Ogres sneak up on your characters? Were you guys wearing blindfolds at the time or what?

Agamon was GM'ing!

Actually, all of the Villain Points come from a single pool. Also, bear in mind that Villain Points cannot be used to heal five stun hits, whereas Hero Points can (don't confuse that with being able to recover from Stun, which Villains and Heroes can do).

Well, Agamon can clear that up. He handles his hero points in a different way, and after many days of explaning it to me, it makes sense. He can clear it up though.

A 31 isn't that unreasonable. Say Screaming Eagle has about 7 Base Attack, a +5 Dex, Attack Focus, and is using All-Out Attack, decreasing her AC. That's an Attack bonus of 14-18 right there.

Yet another reason why Legacy is cooler than these losers at Projectaedalus. We could have kicked their butts.

You lost me when you started talking about game terms like base attack, cause I aint got a book! Besides, your team doesn't have a cool smiley face in it like ours does.

 

[Hammerhead]

But Ogres are Large Size and have -1 Dex; their stealth skills suck. Or you have a Killer DM.

Well, I assume you're familiar with the d20 System, even if you don't have the M&M book. An Attack Bonus of around 14-18 is very high for most characters, and should hit nearly anyone most of the time. (Most characters tend to have a total attack bonus equal to their PL, but that's a generalization.)