D&D (2024) Ranger 2024 is a bigger joke than Ranger 2014:

[Ashrym]

Yeah, it only has to be on when you want most of your class features to matter.

That would be the 13th, 17th, and 20th level abilities. It's already been argued these don't count because of how high the level is so now they are "most" of the class features.

I don't agree with your assessment.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Nobody needs more than a day of nourishment

Try telling that to my cat!

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Ok to start with Conjure Fey is not a Ranger spell and is 6th level meaning a single class Ranger can never cast it.

Maybe you mean Summon Fey? In any case after you run out of summon Fey you have a bunch of other spells that are better than Hunter's Mark, inlcuding 1st level spells.

As I pointed out earlier I have played multiple Rangers to 20th level, when I was not concentrating on something else and wanted extra damage, I would spam Favored Foe with multiple uses on a single turn and I NEVER ran out of Favored Foe at high level. What that means is there were less than 6 attacks a day I needed extra damage when I was not already concentrating. There is going to be no use for these free castings of Hunter's Mark the way I play.

I think that your style is an outlier.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Which is meaningless if HM is worse for how we actually played. What part of this made you think that we ran around spamming Favored Foe on every tiny minion until we ran out of charges for it?

Most people did not play that way. You can still use tasha's option for replace favoured enemy by favoured foe.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Good that you mentioned that. It's very solid now, basically a poor man's Shield spell.

At level 13+ it is equal and at level 17+ it is actually better. And you can do it all day.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

He's burning a use on every hit.

It's DM discretion on whether or not that works.

Why should you limit that. That is sustainable for very little number of rounds. It might be an upgrade for games where you do only do one encounter per day. In such games taking anything besides a full caster that blows through all high level spells in that encounter is nerfing yourself anyway.
So for those kinds of games, it does not matter what the ranger actually does.

 

[Horwath]

Maybe mentioned before, but this HM can be kept with a change similar that some other classes got for their Concentration spells.

When you cast Hunter's mark you can decide it does not uses Concentratio,n
Duration is then only 1 minute for bonus damage, skill bonuses remain to give flavor to Ranger class
You can still have only one HM active.

this will last only one fight for bonus damage and will not compete with other concentration spells.

that give good combo for tracking someone as you can have bonus to Perception and Survival and also bonus to Stealth, making you an ultimate predator.

 

[Minigiant]

Why should you limit that. That is sustainable for very little number of rounds. It might be an upgrade for games where you do only do one encounter per day. In such games takong anything besides a full caster that blows through all high level spells in that encounter is nerfing yourself anyway.
So for those kinds of games, it does not matter what the ranger actually does.

I wouldn't.

My point is that wasn't the designer's expectation and they did not protection that style of play, so it is up to the DM.

5e was written with assumptions.

 

[Minigiant]

Overall I think People are attempting to warp the Ranger to a playstyle that D&D was no base around and them being upset that it is wonky after it happens

Maybe mentioned before, but this HM can be kept with a change similar that some other classes got for their Concentration spells.

When you cast Hunter's mark you can decide it does not uses Concentratio,n
Duration is then only 1 minute for bonus damage, skill bonuses remain to give flavor to Ranger class
You can still have only one HM active.

this will last only one fight for bonus damage and will not compete with other concentration spells.

that give good combo for tracking someone as you can have bonus to Perception and Survival and also bonus to Stealth, making you an ultimate predator.

The whole point of Concentration is so PCs can't stack buff spells.

The more you promote short duration stackable buffs the more the game shifts to late stage 3e if the DM doesn't intervene.

We have one person who wants HM with no concentration.
We have another person who wants HM with no action
We have another person who wants HM with more damage

Sounds like people just want power.
2014 ranger wasn't weak. And 2024 ranger is much stronger AND more versatile.

The other classes should be brought DOWN to match ranger not the ranger brought up to match them.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Nothing is stopping a ranger from casting Goodberry, however. They are just using using a slot for Goodberry and a free slot for Hunter's Mark instead of a slot for Hunter's Mark and a free slot for Goodberry. There's little point in free Goodberry, however, because the main point of the spell is meant to be 1 day of nourishment. Nobody needs more than a day of nourishment and unused berries disappear anyway.

I imagine if the free ability was to cast Goodberry there would be more negative feedback. ;-)

Goodberry still heals 1HP per berry doesn't it?, so that's 20 free heals at 1st level which can be distributed amongst the group, i doubt there'd be much negative feedback from that, (perhaps other than from a few GMs who are finding it harder to keep anyone down, haha)