Rhun's OLD Greyhawk ALPHA OOC Thread (ToEE) -CLOSED

[stonegod]

Thanee's distribution is generally the one I'd go for.

I think Coraine is served better by better AC before better BAB as he's supposed to pull aggro (to use that horrid MMO phrase) first, hit second. I think the he could be served by a +1 longsword if that makes a more equitable split. In an ideal world, he'd have both.

 

[Leif]

Actually, no. The cost has been paid by Coraine, as he had bought this sword himself.
As you can see above, that very same value is added to Coraine's share for giving his old sword into the party pool. If Trevor wouldn't 'pay' for its ownership, then Coraine could essentially not get the value for it, and so Coraine would then effectively pay for Trevor's sword.
Does that sound fair to you?

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable thing for Trevor's Good Friend Coraine to volunteer to do for him!

There has been no actual distribution of ownership, just distribution of use, because it makes little sense to have a magic sword rest in Coraine's backpack while he uses a better one we just found.

If that is the case, then why can't we continue in this same manner until the adventure is completed once and for all? Why are we being assessed for items now while we still have plenty of adventure left ahead of us? Trevoris more than willing to concede that actual ownership of the sword he uses is still vested in the party as a whole. When the adventure ends, if he is still alive, he will either surrender the weapon to the party or else pay for it. Will that work?

But as I said, this is just a proposal, if anyone has a better idea, go ahead.
We can also just hand out the treasure to whoever can use it and not distribute the gold at all, but rather use it to buy items for those who have not received much yet. That would work equally well, but with more hassle, because everything that is bought has to be decided as a group.

Here's Trev's proposal: Why not keep the bulk of the treasure in the party treasury, only doling out to each party member a small stipend to cover immediate necessities, say perhaps 300 gp each (?), while buying things like Healing wands and potions, and maybe a few other potions (Trevor could certainly put a potion or two of Spider Climb to very good use!) that are mutually beneficial to the entire party and capable of use by several party members, directly from the party treasury? Any of these items that were not used during the adventure would be dealt with like found items at the final distribution.

 

[Thanee]

@Leif: Well, I don't consider it a good idea to hoard several thousand gold pieces, while they could be used to buy magic items that could help us.

Using only what we find makes no sense, obviously. But when we buy things, we should figure out what to buy or for whom to buy something. It's way easier to just distribute the treasure and then leave the decision about what to buy to the individual characters. Selling only what is not used and distributing the gold evenly means, that some get way more than others, which is inherently unbalanced. Therefore it is often done as propsed here, that the items that everyone gets from the loot are calculated as part of their share (effectively they are buying them at half-price), and the gold is distributed accordingly.

I think Coraine is served better by better AC before better BAB as he's supposed to pull aggro (to use that horrid MMO phrase) first, hit second. I think the he could be served by a +1 longsword if that makes a more equitable split. In an ideal world, he'd have both.

The decisions about the swords were made before you took over, so obviously might not be exactly what you would have done.

The +2 longsword was best used by Coraine (as he is the best fighter together with Ragnok, who does not use another weapon than his trusted heirloom). Of course, by then he was still a Paladin and not a Knight.

Generally, the items should be used where they best serve the party.

But everyone should also get a fair share and be able to get some decent stuff (some characters have next to nothing in comparison right now). Ragnok wants gold to get his weapon enchanted, surely Verdis wants to get something as well. Dara doesn't exactly have a whole lot of decent equipment either.

Therefore I think it's most fair to do the distribution like that. Sum up the sell value and allow those who want items from the loot buy them for their sell value.

Maybe we should just start from scratch...

Coraine has his +1 longsword still (so neither Kurt nor Trevor have it).
The +2 longsword, and everything else (as listed in the RG; including the +1 flaming longsword, the +1 warhammer, the +1 full plate and so on) is in the party treasury.

The sell value of the party treasury is 19691 gp 3 sp 4 cp.
That's 3281 gp each, leaving 5 gp 3 sp 4 cp in the party treasury.

The following (useful) items could be acquired from the party treasury (sell value in parantheses; if noone wants them they are sold for gold; if more than one wants any specific item, it should go to whoever can make the best use of it, also keeping in mind that not a single character gets everything ).

+2 longsword (4157.5 gp)
+1 flaming longsword (4157.5 gp)
+1 warhammer (1156 gp)
+1 full plate (1325 gp)
masterwork heavy steel shield (85 gp)

Bye
Thanee

 

[stonegod]

Coraine proposal:
+3342gp (share of 3281, personal gold 61)
-1325 fullplate +1
+ 825 mwk fullplate (goes into pool)
-1000 price of adding +1 to his shield
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1842gp remaining.

Leaves both +2 longswords available for purchase by others. Drops my to-hit by 1, but AC +2. I can go for a +2 weapon later. Taking one of them puts me ~3kgp in the hole, so we'll see where they go first...

 

[Leif]

@Leif: Well, I don't consider it a good idea to hoard several thousand gold pieces, while they could be used to buy magic items that could help us.


Maybe we should just start from scratch...

Coraine has his +1 longsword still (so neither Kurt nor Trevor have it).
The +2 longsword, and everything else (as listed in the RG; including the +1 flaming longsword, the +1 warhammer, the +1 full plate and so on) is in the party treasury.

The sell value of the party treasury is 19691 gp 3 sp 4 cp.
That's 3281 gp each, leaving 5 gp 3 sp 4 cp in the party treasury.

The following (useful) items could be acquired from the party treasury (sell value in parantheses; if noone wants them they are sold for gold; if more than one wants any specific item, it should go to whoever can make the best use of it, also keeping in mind that not a single character gets everything ).

+2 longsword (4157.5 gp)
+1 flaming longsword (4157.5 gp)
+1 warhammer (1156 gp)
+1 full plate (1375 gp)
masterwork heavy steel shield (85 gp)

Bye
Thanee

Fine. I'll agree to whatever. Trevor would like to have a magic sword, but it's not absolutely critical. He would also like to have the m/w heavy steel shield, if none of the more combat oriented characters want it. Should I take the +1 longsword off his sheet? (The party giveth and the party taketh away. ) Just let me know what he gets, ok? Trev would also be content with the +1 warhammer, if no one else has a prior claim and he's losing his magic sword. He's more likely to be able to afford that.

 

[Legildur]

I'm happy with whatever you can all work out for a distribution. Kurt doesn't even really care about shares so much.

He'd rather see a front-liner (and that includes Trevor) make best use of the magic swords and full plate. Kurt can certainly use that stuff, but he'd rather see it used by someone every round, rather than just occasionally, as Kurt (while handy with a sword) is better in the second rank at any rate.

But if he does get a weapon, it really needs to be a longsword.

 

[Thanee]

Fine. I'll agree to whatever. Trevor would like to have a magic sword, but it's not absolutely critical. He would also like to have the m/w heavy steel shield, if none of the more combat oriented characters want it. Should I take the +1 longsword off his sheet? (The party giveth and the party taketh away. ) Just let me know what he gets, ok? Trev would also be content with the +1 warhammer, if no one else has a prior claim and he's losing his magic sword. He's more likely to be able to afford that.

I don't think you fully understand the concept (no offense ).

There is no "afford". You get whatever you want, unless someone else wants it, too, and it would be better in that someone's hands.

You have a certain "allowance" equal to one sixth of what we found (your share). If you get more than your allowance, there is no problem, you will just get less next time. You do not get anything for free (just like in real life ), everything you get is part of your share.

At all times you have your share in value, though. If you "pay" four thousand something gold for a +2 sword, you still have four thousand something gold (in form of a +2 sword), for example. After the adventure you can sell the sword for that much gold easily.

The only "problem" (if you can call it a problem even) is that Coraine's last personality prefered a better weapon (the +2 sword) while Coraine's current personality prefers a better armour (thus keeping his +1 sword, which Coraine's last personality put back into the pool to be used by someone else, i.e. Trevor, though Kurt is using that very same sword, too, however that works out... must be some temporal trick (actually, it is because Trevor was assumed to use the +1 flaming sword by then) ).

So, Trevor could, for example, get the +2 longsword now and the mw heavy steel shield. This would make his current allowance negative (same as with the +1 flaming sword, since the sword alone is worth more than a single share), so next time his share would be smaller to even things out (in the meantime the others will have smaller shares, obviously, if the gold isn't there it has to come from somewhere, but that is no problem, since most likely not every coin is going to be spent). Or he could take the +1 warhammer and the shield, leaving one thousand something coins in his pocket, if he prefers that.

Same with Coraine, he could get everything, but I at least would prefer things to be distributed more evenly (not completely even, that's not possible, but at least somewhat even; everyone likes toys ).

Bye
Thanee

P.S. stonegod, +1 shield enchantment is 1k only.

 

[Leif]

Certainly, there is no offense taken: I needed someone to clue me in, so thanks. Just so I understand, though, the party will be taking back the +1 longsword that Trevor has been using? If so, that's fine.

Yes, Trevor will gratefully accept the +1 warhammer and the thousand-odd gp. Actually, the warhammer does as much damage as a longsword, and is a high crit weapon, so Trevor really prefers that, anyway.

 

[Thanee]

Actually more like twothousand-odd, mistyped that above.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Leif]

Even better! But what becomes of the +1 longsword that Trevor is using now? If the +1 warhammer goes to Trevor, then that +1 longsword goes back into party treasure for redistribution or sale or something.