Smallville 2/2/05 (Spoilers)

[Truth Seeker]

To Kitoy, my HUMBLE thanks, for the DVD, it arrived today, and I watched it at work...man...WHY, didn't you warn me, that this was a tear-jerking.

Pa Kent was so mad, he didn't want to see his son...

Martha...oh mercy, just laid it on Clark...disappointed is such a harsh word to use...

And the setup from last week show, was a great teaser for this temporary relationship, showing it was possilbe for Clark to have one, but with whom is another matter.

This might sound cliche...but we all know who Clark will end up with...one day, so for one, anyone hangin with Clark will be a sidenote or footnote in the history to pass.

But...honestly, I would have prefer Alicia in a coma, than to actual death, but alas...she is not part of the improvised canon.

And now, for my unearthly scream.

jimmy Olsen and Chole???? GAK!!!! Gaaaakkk!!!!, GaKKKKKKK!!!!!!!.

Noooooooo...not Jimmy...please...not Jimmy...*GGAAaaaakkkk!*

 

[Darthjaye]

As I said in the other thread, I thought that this was a really, really good episode, but I'm disappointed by the decision to kill Alicia. Everything about Alicia was good, her chemistry with Clark, the friction she was causing between Clark and his family and friends, and the actress playing her was awesome. I can understand why she was killed off though. As stated before, the next logical step was for Alicia to start outing Clark to everyone left and right and TPTB wouldn't have let that happen.

Just an all around great episode, in my opinion.

I kinda humbly disagree with the evaluation that she would have eventually told everyone. As I pointed out a few posts back it makes sense why she chose Chloe. It also makes sense why she would chose not to tell anyone else. She kept the secret for quite a long time, and put her life on the line to keep her own doctor from discovering Clark's secret. Not sure that completely works with your theory of her eventually telling everyone. I've been a big fan of this series for a long time (even through some of the more dissapointing storylines and seasons) but this one was unsatisfactory to me because they had a way to build her character up and eventually get into more character's trust and good side, and then finally kill her off or get rid of her. Would have given Welling more time to open up that side of Clark, but instead we're gonna get more of Clark not willing to get involved for fear of them dying and the parents always being right about who to trust and not to trust.

BTW what is the real name of that actress anyways? really hot if you ask me, but I don't think i've seen her on anything before.

 

[kitoy]

To Kitoy, my HUMBLE thanks, for the DVD, it arrived today, and I watched it at work

I'm glad you got it and that you were able to watch it pretty close to yesterday's episode.

You know, the thing with Jimmy and Chloe may be a way to prove that Chloe doesn't "become" Lois. I mean, Jimmy and Lois sleeping together? That would never happen.

 

[kitoy]

I kinda humbly disagree with the evaluation that she would have eventually told everyone.

Yes, she kept the secret through extreme duress, but the situation had changed. She was beginning to see how keeping the secret was eating away at Clark, undermining his natural honesty. Before she ran away from Clark, she pretty much made it clear that she thought it was a mistake for him to keep his powers a secret.

BTW what is the real name of that actress anyways? really hot if you ask me, but I don't think i've seen her on anything before.

That would be the very beautiful, very delicious Sarah Carter. I'm currently semi-obsessed with her, she's so cute! I hope she does a lot more work.

 

[Truth Seeker]

I'm glad you got it and that you were able to watch it pretty close to yesterday's episode.

You know, the thing with Jimmy and Chloe may be a way to prove that Chloe doesn't "become" Lois. I mean, Jimmy and Lois sleeping together? That would never happen.

*faints*

 

[Darthjaye]

Yes, she kept the secret through extreme duress, but the situation had changed. She was beginning to see how keeping the secret was eating away at Clark, undermining his natural honesty. Before she ran away from Clark, she pretty much made it clear that she thought it was a mistake for him to keep his powers a secret.

So you think he is going to lose his natural honesty more so than they ever let on in the original movie? I'm still wondering though why she would pick someone she probably knew loved Clark as well. She didn't chose Lana for obvious reasons.

That would be the very beautiful, very delicious Sarah Carter. I'm currently semi-obsessed with her, she's so cute! I hope she does a lot more work.

Yeah, from what I read off your link apparently I've seen a bit of her stuff, just never noticed before Smallville. I'm supremely embarrassed as I have to agree with you on her hotness. As to seeing her do more work, I hope so too. She has that hot girl in high school look you couldn't get your words out right to look about her. Kinda make ya melt when she smiles. Yeah, I got one of these in my life right now too, cept she knows it and we're good.

 

[Belen]

First off: I loved this episode. I will miss the Alicia character, but I think that her death had to happen. She would have revealed his secret and already broke a promise to him by showing Chloe.

In fact, she takes a bullet a few weeks before, just to keep his secret and then breaks a life promise?!

The other thing I loved about this episode was Martha Kent. It has become patently clear that she does NOT trust her son any longer. She took no excuses from Clark about the marriage, even though he was dosed with red kryptonite and constantly derided his choice to care about Alicia.

At the end of the episode, notice how she does not tell Clark that she was sorry, or wrong. She looks as if she feels guilty, but offers no comfort to her only son. In my opinion, she has slowly started to buy into Jorel's concept of Clark as the conquerer. She is afraid of Clark and what he may do when someone influences him negatively. After all, he already killed the only child she ever could have born. This episode shows a patent lack of trust on her part for her son.

Notice that Johnathan Kent believes in the inherent goodness of his child. He may diagree with Clark on some issues, but seems more content to let him make decisions and readily apologizes to his son when he is proven wrong.

Martha even attempted to pair Clark with Lana one evening. Even though Lana has proven to be a jerk to her son, especially since Jason showed up. Lana has constantly provided a negative influence on Clark. Neither of them are good for each other and would destroy the other.

This past show proved one thing to Clark. If the villain had known that Superman existed, he may have chosen not to kill Alicia. Superman offers the ultimate accountability to people with special powers. Use them wrong, and there is someone who can deal with you. Also, it showed him that he needed to trust himself and his feelings. Listening to the doubts of others will only lead to ruin. Even the police chief tried to tell him that. Every time Clark fails to trust himself and take a stand, something bad happens.

This epiosde was critical for character development on a host of issues. And I did not even tough on Chloe, who also underwent a true epiphany!

 

[kitoy]

So you think he is going to lose his natural honesty more so than they ever let on in the original movie?

Nah, he definitely keeps his honesty in later years. Its a central conceit of the Superman mythos that this totally honest, absolutely Lawful Good, and law-abiding person is also someone who is keeping a secret and maintaining a deception to almost everyone he knows. The juxtaposition of the two is one of the things that has kept Superman so popular over the years. Right now, on Smallville, we're seeing how a younk Clark Kent struggles with his natural honesty and the necessity of keeping a huge secret at the same time. He just isn't comfortable with it yet, as he will be in future years. That's one of the things that makes this show so good.

And you're right about Sarah Carter, she does have that melt-you-with-her-smile thing down pat. I'm lucky enough to be with a girl like that, too. I even managed to somehow talk her into marrying me!

 

[Belen]

Nah, he definitely keeps his honesty in later years. Its a central conceit of the Superman mythos that this totally honest, absolutely Lawful Good, and law-abiding person is also someone who is keeping a secret and maintaining a deception to almost everyone he knows. The juxtaposition of the two is one of the things that has kept Superman so popular over the years. Right now, on Smallville, we're seeing how a younk Clark Kent struggles with his natural honesty and the necessity of keeping a huge secret at the same time. He just isn't comfortable with it yet, as he will be in future years. That's one of the things that makes this show so good.

And you're right about Sarah Carter, she does have that melt-you-with-her-smile thing down pat. I'm lucky enough to be with a girl like that, too. I even managed to somehow talk her into marrying me!

Not sure it is a matter of honesty. Rather, Clark has to find the balance between living his life, and using his powers to help others.

The secret identity is never really a lie. Clark is protecting himself, yes, but he is also protecting the people he loves. Otherwise they will be targets.

His very nature is duality. He is human and kryptonian. Clark Kent and Superman. Right now, he has not discovered his inner Superman and has to learn to deal with the dual nature of his life.

 

[Mercule]

The other thing I loved about this episode was Martha Kent. It has become patently clear that she does NOT trust her son any longer. She took no excuses from Clark about the marriage, even though he was dosed with red kryptonite and constantly derided his choice to care about Alicia.

Yeah. I noticed that last week. Clark gets on red kryptonite, goes to Metropolis and plays gang-banger and crook for a summer, getting him back nearly kills Johnathon, and all is forgiven. Johnathon can't tell Clark often enough how little responsibility Clark bears for the whole matter.

Then, Clark finds a girl he really likes. She really likes him and knows his secret. He believes whole-heartedly that she might be "the one", but takes things very slowly and cautiously because his parents have reservations. Then, he gets hit be red kryptonite, and instead of being a criminal, he gets married because he wants to be with this girl and he does nothing else wrong. She was a stabilizing influence on Clark under red kryptonite -- that should be held in her favor.

IMO, Martha and Johnathon are either huge hypocrits or their entire objection to Alicia was a poorly written plot device.