Star Trek cast blames the bosses

[mojo1701]

Or they give Peter David a lot of money and make his New Frontier into a series.

You mean, a TV series?

 

[takyris]

Yeah, sorry. Dur. A TV series. It's too busy to do well as a movie (unless they got a commitment to a lot of movies, which I doubt they'd get), and it already is a respectable novel series. (Well, respected by me. It's about the only Star Trek novel series I read anymore.)

 

[DaveMage]

I've read a couple of Peter David's novels and liked them (although not the New Frontier ones).

Still, though, I'd love to see jms take the reigns...

 

[Aristotle]

Oh, gawd. Please tell me you're not a Voyager fan.

hah! The only reason it wasn't in my list of viewing history was because I had forgotten the show existed. I've seen a couple of episodes, and even liked some of the character concepts, but didn't get deep enough into it to attempt to get to a TV to see it with any regularity.

I watched the original Trek any time I could growing up, but I would consider myself a Next Generation fan above all other series to date.

 

[Ranger REG]

I believe that as much as I believe people don't watch wardrobe malfunctions and train wrecks. All you have to do is do it right, and not BE that train wreck though...

And I believe they can do it right without having to reboot any of the Trek series (no matter how low my opinion about a couple of them).

Manny Coto proved that in the fourth season of Enterprise (with helps from Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens). I mean they're like the next generation of Trek writer Trinity since Gene L. Coon, Harlan Ellison, and DC Fontana.

Remember my pre-show expectation ("Birth of the Federation" arc)? Well, they deliver on that, not Berman nor Braga. Too bad they didn't have one more season to flesh that out.

While you can suggest what new shows they like, I'm much more interested in having someone get the boot: Rick Berman. So, don't distract me from this priority. He's got to go before we can do anything to revive the franchise.

 

[Ranger REG]

I watched the original Trek any time I could growing up, but I would consider myself a Next Generation fan above all other series to date.

If DS9 hadn't come out, TNG would be second to TOS. There is nothing like the originals (be it Star Trek or Star Wars).

 

[Vigilance]

13 episodes for first season is pretty typical for new series now, networks like it because it cuts potential losses if it's a bomb, and they can always order more if it's a hit. The second season of New Galactica is a full-sized season.

From what I have heard Ron Moore say, they ordered a second 13 episode season, not a full season.

Moore thinks that's a good thing btw, more time to polish the writing, like you would see on an HBO show.

I still think BSG would be lucky to hit 100 episodes, and I dont think the conversation of whether or not it has "out trekked" trek or should be used as the template for the future of trek, until we know where the show stands 5 years from now.

It *IS* possible, as good as BSG is (and again I am a fan of both trek and BSG, so this isn't an us vs. them thing for me) that it will peter out.

Few things compare to trek in terms of longevity, which is why I think current reboot talks are WAY premature.

However, in comparing Enterprise and Galactica, they do have some things in common. They were both met at the launch by hostile fans who saw it as a potential desecration of an old favorite from decades past, and they both ran on relatively minor networks.

I disagree. The die-hard BSG fans were hostile to BSG, but they were a small percentage of the total audience.

On the other hand, those of us who wanted to know why Enterprise looked more advanced than the ships that came after it in trek lore, who wanted to know why the Klingons had ridges, then didnt, then had them again, who wanted to know why the Vulcans didnt act like... Vulcans, we were a LARGE part of Enterprise's audience

I also hasten to add that Manny Coto answered all those questions in spades, knocking them out of the park. THAT attitude would have won over fans quickly, just as BSG's approach won over a lot of fans quickly.

But Bermaga's approach in the early days of the show was to turn a deaf ear to fan questions and complaints, then when the ratings went down, BLAME the fans for not supporting their vision.

In short, I don't think there's many similarities at all between Enterprise and BSG. One took a large audience and alienated it, the other took an alienated audience and built it into a much larger following.

Galactica became the biggest ratings hit in Sci-Fi history and won over fans, and establishing itself with enough of a loyal fan base not only to succeed, but prosper. Enterprise started out big on it's name alone, and the ratings began a downward spiral and some fears were confirmed, and the attitudes of the fans were generally ignored by the producers. By the time New BSG came out, it was getting higher ratings than Enterprise, and did in 13 episodes what Enterprise couldn't do in 98 episodes: improve it's ratings above it's debut levels and win over skeptical fans.

I agree with these statements, but I dont think Enteprise and BSG have anything in common, as you yourself illustrate.

Put simply, BSG had a creative vision which slowly won over fans. Ent had no vision for three years, except to continue a profitable franchise, and that never works.

Bermaga call it franchise fatigue, but it wasnt the franchise that tired, it was THEM.

And like most trek fans, I encourage Bermaga to take a long break from their fatigue.

Chuck

 

[Vigilance]

I'd love to see a different show-concept in the Star Trek universe -- maybe Homicide: Life on the Trek, a procedural in the universe, or maybe Section 31, a spy-game show in that universe, or maybe Trek Wing, a political show following the work of the UFP President and his staff. Or they give Peter David a lot of money and make his New Frontier into a series.

Bless you tacky.

All these concepts sound great. Bermaga always said they wanted to do something "new" rather than go "back to the well", but rather than come up with new concepts as you did above, their idea of "new" was to do TNG in a different place (Voyager) or in a different time (Enterprise), which isn't really new at all.

 

[Ranger REG]

And like most trek fans, I encourage Bermaga to take a long break from their fatigue.

I hope "take a long break" is your code words for "resign and never set foot in California ever again."

 

[S'mon]

I'd love to see a different show-concept in the Star Trek universe -- maybe Homicide: Life on the Trek, a procedural in the universe, or maybe Section 31, a spy-game show in that universe, or maybe Trek Wing, a political show following the work of the UFP President and his staff.

By the time of STTNG the Federation President seems to be either non-existent or a pure figurehead; the Star Fleet bureaucracy controls everything worth controlling. I guess a show about the fight (within Starfleet?) to restore representative democracy (ie elections!) to the impersonal bureaucracy of the Federation would be a lot of fun...