Star Trek Picard SPOILERS thread

MarkB

Legend
HOh, and, sigh, guess Freecloud is just a lame space casino...yet another cool copy from Star Wars, right?
Space casinos are hardly an original Star Wars concept. They've been around ever since people started setting stories in space. Quark's bar on DS9 is a casino.

 

Mallus

Hero
First reaction to episode 4: I love this and Michael Chabon should write every episode (with Frakes directing - he’s damn good).

Second reaction: I want to see Michael Chabon writing emo scripts for the Lord of the Rings show because he really needs to work more in the pointy ears, swords, and quests genre.
 

Mallus

Hero
Episode 4

Well...more building with not much happening.

Hum Romulan Mad Max world had a space shield...just like in Star Wars. Hummm.

Lots of fun spin writing. Like how Picard is all shocked the Romulans are living all poor like. Guess he thought they would be living like Federation people on Earth, right? And then...loony old guy that he us, he blames the Federation! And, gosh, none of the Romulans seem happy that Picard HELPED SAVE THEIR LIVES, nope they are just all evil space thugs.

Oh and a Romulan elf guy joins the crew....yae?

Oh, and, sigh, guess Freecloud is just a lame space casino...yet another cool copy from Star Wars, right?
Congratulations! That was a terrible summary. Why are you watching this if you get nothing out of it?
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Like how Picard is all shocked the Romulans are living all poor like.
What? I didn't see him shocked. He was unaware of how far things had slipped, but he's been out of the loop for a long time. He's ashamed that the didn't do more for them. Bu he isn't shocked.

And, gosh, none of the Romulans seem happy that Picard HELPED SAVE THEIR LIVES, nope they are just all evil space thugs.
None of the Romulans... except for the ones he spends time with and do like him. So, yeah... all of them don't like him, except the ones that do like him :/

And, with respect, they were given assurances that they'd be helped, and then abandoned with limited resources and no prospects, for something like 14 years. People left in poverty for over a decade... yeah, they get angry. Duh.

Oh, and, sigh, guess Freecloud is just a lame space casino...yet another cool copy from Star Wars, right?
"Out in space there's a lawless place with no regulation, filled with gambling and various other unsavory activities" is as old as sci-fi. And with a name like "Freecloud" what did you expect?
 

trappedslider

Adventurer
Episode 4

Well...more building with not much happening.

Hum Romulan Mad Max world had a space shield...just like in Star Wars. Hummm.

Lots of fun spin writing. Like how Picard is all shocked the Romulans are living all poor like. Guess he thought they would be living like Federation people on Earth, right? And then...loony old guy that he us, he blames the Federation! And, gosh, none of the Romulans seem happy that Picard HELPED SAVE THEIR LIVES, nope they are just all evil space thugs.

Oh and a Romulan elf guy joins the crew....yae?

Oh, and, sigh, guess Freecloud is just a lame space casino...yet another cool copy from Star Wars, right?

What did i just read?
 

Raunalyn

Adventurer
So going back to the previous conversation — it’s 900M people evacuated to planets outside the blast zone.
Right, 900 million. How many ships would that take? What would be the capacity of those ships? I remember reading something about the Enterprise D having a crew compliment of around 500 people, but Constellation class star ships are not the biggest in Starfleet. How many could you safely stuff into the ships?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Right, 900 million. How many ships would that take? What would be the capacity of those ships? I remember reading something about the Enterprise D having a crew compliment of around 500 people, but Constellation class star ships are not the biggest in Starfleet. How many could you safely stuff into the ships?
1024 crew, but that’s by the by. That’s not a colony ship. It’s purpose isn’t transporting large numbers of people.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
1024 crew, but that’s by the by. That’s not a colony ship. It’s purpose isn’t transporting large numbers of people.
If you look on Memory Alpha or the like... the Federation seems to like its colonies small - Federation colony ships carry a couple/few thousand people, not tens of thousands.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Right, 900 million. How many ships would that take?
We can't say how many ships, unless we also know the timeframes involved.

In general, the Federation has some thousands of ships, but they are every thinly spread. For the Battle of Wolf 359, in Best of Both Worlds, they pulled together 39 ships, which were all destroyed. Major engagements in the Dominioun war had 600 to 1500 ships (not all of these were Federation vessels - the Klingons and Romulans were allied with the Federation.

So, for an effort like this, you can expect maybe a couple thousand ships?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
We can't say how many ships, unless we also know the timeframes involved.

In general, the Federation has some thousands of ships, but they are every thinly spread. For the Battle of Wolf 359, in Best of Both Worlds, they pulled together 39 ships, which were all destroyed. Major engagements in the Dominioun war had 600 to 1500 ships (not all of these were Federation vessels - the Klingons and Romulans were allied with the Federation.

So, for an effort like this, you can expect maybe a couple thousand ships?
Think Dunkirk. The number of civilian transports, cruise liners, cargo ships in a vast interstellar empire ten thousand times the size of Earth would number in the tens of millions. Then add Starfleet. I find it hard to feel 900m people is a stretch.
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
I believe some estimates on the size of Starfleet gave something like 9,000 to 30,000 ships as reasonable numbers (30,000 was a guesstimate given by Ronald D.Moore), which could be including anything from Danube Class Runabouts (evacuation limit: 15 people perhaps?) to Galaxy Class Cruisers (evacuation limit 15,000 according to Memory Alpha). But there is no exact canonical figure.

Of course, you can't actually use many them. These ships serve a purpose in Starfleet - patrolling borders, transporting goods, providing emergency relief to other worlds, ferrying diplomats... And other ships will be on deep space missions and might take years to get back. Starfleet cannot afford to just recall all of these ships to Romulus without severely impacting the integrity of the Federation.
So they will have only be able to mobilize a small fraction of this fleet.
 

MarkB

Legend
Defence satellites, not shields. They were shooting at the ships in combat, that got too close to the planet.
It's a bit of both. In the close-up shots as they're being herded toward the barrier by the bird of prey, you can see that there are forcefields projected between the drones, forming a composite shield around the whole planet. Seven of Nine's ship ends up smooshing into it.
 

FitzTheRuke

Adventurer
If we're gonna keep on this subject (and why not?) then we'd have to factor in, not just number of ships, and the ship's refugee capacity, but also boarding rate and/or beam rate. How many people could, say, the Enterprise D beam up at a time?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
If we're gonna keep on this subject (and why not?) then we'd have to factor in, not just number of ships, and the ship's refugee capacity, but also boarding rate and/or beam rate. How many people could, say, the Enterprise D beam up at a time?
We don’t know how much warning they had, but that might not really be an issue. If they had hours warning, they’re all dead whatever. If they had months, the evacuation is easy.
 

MarkB

Legend
If we're gonna keep on this subject (and why not?) then we'd have to factor in, not just number of ships, and the ship's refugee capacity, but also boarding rate and/or beam rate. How many people could, say, the Enterprise D beam up at a time?
Quite a few. The Enterprise-D has at least 8 transporter rooms, plus three shuttle bays. It's established in canon that its entire crew can be evacuated in 7 minutes.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Think Dunkirk. The number of civilian transports, cruise liners, cargo ships in a vast interstellar empire ten thousand times the size of Earth would number in the tens of millions. Then add Starfleet. I find it hard to feel 900m people is a stretch.
Noting that we are theory crafting here.... But you forget how friggin' enormous the Federation is. Sources are not consistent, but just from Encounter at Farpoint, we get that the Federation is several thousand of light years across. And while from Enterprise D onwards the flagship can maintain warp 9.x for a while, most ships move at more modest speeds. It takes months to years to fly across the Federation. Thus, while there are lots of ships in the Federation, the vast majority of them are not available on short notice.

This is why the destruction of the shipyards was so large an issue - they were building ships for the effort, and they were lost.

I mean, they give us a number of people saved - note that it is less than a billion. Real Earth right now has 7 billion - assume an advanced civilizations got at least that many on their home world. Which suggests... most of the Romulan population didn't make it. We get a sense of the cataastrophe from that.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
It's a bit of both. In the close-up shots as they're being herded toward the barrier by the bird of prey, you can see that there are forcefields projected between the drones, forming a composite shield around the whole planet. Seven of Nine's ship ends up smooshing into it.
Yeah, and they need to wait for an opening to be able to beam down or up.
 

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