Star Trek Picard SPOILERS thread

Truth Seeker

Adventurer
Traditionally, unlike Star Wars with its Expanded Universe, there was never any real shared 'canon' in Star Trek spin-off fiction, so it would have to be something recent, if at all. And if it were recent and canonical, it would already have been updated to sources such as Memory Alpha.
Actually there was a share 'canon' piece in TNG, I found out listening to a podcast...when Picard met Spock's father aboard the Enterprise. Picard made mention on seeing Spock at his Wedding to Savvik---The novel--Vulcan Heart- Episode 23/Sarek--in Season 3
 

Raunalyn

Adventurer
Just one small chime, but it is bugging me. It is Agnes, not Angus. Agnes Jurati. Yes, Maddox's speech is somewhat mumbled due to his injuries/medical status, but he is talking to Agnes.

/Rant Off
Yes, but it does sound like he calls her Angus at several points. So much so that my Closed Captioning for the episode even showed Angus.
 

MarkB

Legend
Actually there was a share 'canon' piece in TNG, I found out listening to a podcast...when Picard met Spock's father aboard the Enterprise. Picard made mention on seeing Spock at his Wedding to Savvik---The novel--Vulcan Heart- Episode 23/Sarek--in Season 3
Given that the novel The Vulcan's Heart was published in 1999, nine years after the episode Sarek, I think you may be misinformed on that one.
 

Truth Seeker

Adventurer
Given that the novel The Vulcan's Heart was published in 1999, nine years after the episode Sarek, I think you may be misinformed on that one.
Interesting...so, that line in the show,,,.became a book 9 years later. *just found that scene with Riker as they were walking towards the transporter room to meet Sarek and his entourage'

And no, was not misinformed, just didn't know the time frame of the book placement...thank you for that clarity.
 
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cbwjm

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Watched the latest episode and it was awesome. Picard beaming over to the cube and his reaction to being their was really well done. The action in escaping was pretty cool. We learned more about romulan culture. I like who Hugh has become, he seems like a great guy.
 

MarkB

Legend
Interesting...so, that line in the show,,,.became a book 9 years later. *just found that scene with Riker as they were walking towards the transporter room to meet Sarek and his entourage'

And no, was not misinformed, just didn't know the time frame of the book placement...thank you for that clarity.
I meant you were misinformed about it being an example of shared canon. A novel being based on facts previously established in the show doesn't make it canonical - it only works if it happens the other way around.
 

FitzTheRuke

Adventurer
Watched the latest episode and it was awesome. Picard beaming over to the cube and his reaction to being their was really well done. The action in escaping was pretty cool. We learned more about romulan culture. I like who Hugh has become, he seems like a great guy.
I really liked it too. Well structured, a lot of interesting information presented. A lot of heart. (If you're going to make a lot of conflict among the characters, IMO you have to balance it with characters having each other's backs, otherwise it's just miserable. This episode struck a good balance to me.)
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
Loving it overall. If there's one niggling thing, it's the parade of cameos. It would be nice if they stuck around for a while, rather than just one episode.
 

Mallus

Hero
A few random thoughts...

As of right now, Jean-Luc getting hugs on a Borg cube ranks as one of my favorite moments in the franchise.

I'm still not very interested in the Section 31 series starring Michelle Yeoh, but I'd watch the hell of it if it starred Allison Pill as Agnes Jurati, thrill-seeking emotional wreck and half-assed assassin/spy who just can't go back to her old life as a nice STEM girl with questionable taste in boyfriends -- have I forgiven Bruce Maddox for trying to dissect Data? No. Not even in death.

The fade-to-black with "Please friends, choose to live" was fantastic.

The trajector from that Voyager episode? Nice.

Soji and Narek's relationship -- between a possibly sentimental ruthless manipulator and a possible hyper-destructive outwardly harmless person who doesn't know who they are -- could be made into, like, a dozen different indie films, only about a quarter of which end in murders.

Forget Icheb losing an eye. Everyone on La Sirena clapping after Rafii burns the last bridge to her nearly last friend is the most violent scene in Picard, so far.

So the show's a meditation on aging, guilt, identity, and refugee crises? I'll allow it... and by 'allow' I mean 'pay $10/month for the fancy, commercial-free version' (which is in Dolby Vision through Apple?).
 

Hussar

Legend
Yeah, gotta say that this was a great episode.

And watching Picard's reactions on the Borg cube is one hell of a lot of acting. Good grief, there were points where Patric Stewart didn't even look like himself, his face was so twisted in pain. Just fantastic.
 

bloodtide

Explorer
This was a much better episode. Picard having trauma, emotions and reactions to the whole Borg events of his life is all good.

But it feels like it should be a whole other show.

We sat through the whole miss-characterization of Picard as a whinny boy that wanted to save the Romulans for NO REASON AT ALL(other then it was written as part of the dumb story).

Worse, every episode after the first has been ''oh we need to go save the other one" and 'we must hurry", AND THEN they sit around and waste time doing stupid stuff.

Like the Romulans have had the Artifact Cube for years at least. And Picard knew about it. And yet Picard just sat at home and cried ''oh the poor Romulans, Starfleet has changed so much"? Wonder why he never tried to go to the Cube? Even Hugh mentions this would be a great idea. Hummm
 

MarkB

Legend
This was a much better episode. Picard having trauma, emotions and reactions to the whole Borg events of his life is all good.

But it feels like it should be a whole other show.

We sat through the whole miss-characterization of Picard as a whinny boy that wanted to save the Romulans for NO REASON AT ALL(other then it was written as part of the dumb story).
You mean, other than because he's a good person and it was the right thing to do?

Worse, every episode after the first has been ''oh we need to go save the other one" and 'we must hurry", AND THEN they sit around and waste time doing stupid stuff.

Like the Romulans have had the Artifact Cube for years at least. And Picard knew about it. And yet Picard just sat at home and cried ''oh the poor Romulans, Starfleet has changed so much"? Wonder why he never tried to go to the Cube? Even Hugh mentions this would be a great idea. Hummm
Why would he try to go to the cube? It's pretty obviously the last place in the galaxy he'd ever want to visit, if he didn't have to. He literally has zero motivation to go there other than the fact that Soji's there. Which he only found out at the end of last episode.
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
Really liked this episode. This is the first time that Picard set foot on a Borg Cube since the Best of Both Worlds, and they gave it the weight it deserved.

I also really liked Rios here, and maybe we got more insight into him then before, the way he deals with Raffi and Agnes. (He's empathic and sensitive- in the non-mindreader way, of course)

So the show's a meditation on aging, guilt, identity, and refugee crises?
Certainly a significant part of it, yes. I feel like it's also about dealing and perhaps overcoming with pain of past mistakes. But I suppose that might be part of aging already..
 

FaerieGodfather

Aberrant Druid
Wonder why he never tried to go to the Cube? Even Hugh mentions this would be a great idea. Hummm
I mean, did you miss the part where Rafii told her old friend she needed diplomatic credentials for Picard to go to the Cube... and her friend laughed out loud and asked her where he was really going?

There is literally nowhere else Picard could go that he would not rather have gone.
 

Beleriphon

Totally Awesome Pirate Brain
I also really liked Rios here, and maybe we got more insight into him then before, the way he deals with Raffi and Agnes. (He's empathic and sensitive- in the non-mindreader way, of course)
Raffi is his friend, so presumably he has a pretty good read on her. Agnes however. I'm wondering if pearhps we'll learn he isn't human, or not entirely human.
 

Kaodi

Adventurer
I am excited to learn the history of the Zhat Vash - which seems like it is central to this whole story. Did they exist before the Romulans split from the Vulcans? And if so did they have anything directly to do with that split? Did any element of the Zhat Vash philosophy persist afterwards within the Vulcans? And of course why (and how) are they so scared of Soji in particular given that that assimilated Romulan seemed to indicate there was a difference between her and Daj?
 

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