Star Trek XI: Romulan Wars

[Darth K'Trava]

Some people get lemons and make lemonade. Braga is the kinda a guy that makes concentrated sour.

More like: Braga's the guy who takes lemons and makes Yugos.......

And definitely don't make season-ending cliffhangers! Unless you write both parts AT THE SAME TIME!!! Most cliffhangers they did, they wrote Pt. 1 at one time and then waited until near time to start shooting the season opener to write Pt. 2. Then it comes out lame and poorly planned as a result. And story arcs can be well done if, like the above, WRITTEN AT THE SAME TIME. DS9 only started story arcs because B5 was doing them and whipping their collective arses in the ratings dept.

 

[Acid_crash]

I like Enterprise. They cuss more.

Maybe I'm blessed with not having the knowledge of Star Trek 'myth' as some of you put it, but since it is mostly conjecture and "myth", then if something is said to be fact that might be a little different than what some of you think is actual but is, in fact, "myth", then so be it.

Take the show for what it is, an answer to the beginning. So what if they are taking their sweet time on the Birth of the Federation, but they will get to it.

I'm blessed with the fact that I don't know all that "myth" but am watching the actual facts of the origins of the federation without being a judgemental person who feels I know better than the people with the money and the writers to write the show.

Yes they had the Borg, but instead of thinking "Oh no, not the Borg," I saw it as an answer to how the Borg was heading to earth in the first place, and answered when ST:TNG and picard met with them in the first place...they were heading towards earth before picard met up with them... now I have that answer as to how the Borg knew which direction on where to go.

 

[Elf Witch]

I like Enterprise. They cuss more.

Maybe I'm blessed with not having the knowledge of Star Trek 'myth' as some of you put it, but since it is mostly conjecture and "myth", then if something is said to be fact that might be a little different than what some of you think is actual but is, in fact, "myth", then so be it.

Take the show for what it is, an answer to the beginning. So what if they are taking their sweet time on the Birth of the Federation, but they will get to it.

I'm blessed with the fact that I don't know all that "myth" but am watching the actual facts of the origins of the federation without being a judgemental person who feels I know better than the people with the money and the writers to write the show.

Yes they had the Borg, but instead of thinking "Oh no, not the Borg," I saw it as an answer to how the Borg was heading to earth in the first place, and answered when ST:TNG and picard met with them in the first place...they were heading towards earth before picard met up with them... now I have that answer as to how the Borg knew which direction on where to go.

I have been a trek fan since I was eight years old and watched tOS with my dad. I hade high hopes for Enterprise. I am also a big Scott Bakula fan. But I could not get into this show for so many reasons.

I despise the female characters and the lame excuses to get the Vulcan out of her clothes. And I kept wishing that someone would just kill Hoshi and put her and me out of our misery. "oh I am afraid" it made me want to gag.

I hated what they did with the Vulcans. It goes against every thing ever said about the friendship between Earth and Vulcan.

I thought Archer and his crew came across as arrogant earthlings with little respect for other cultures. Which would have been fine if it was handled in a way to show why things like why the prime directive came about. Or they would get knocked down a few pegs.

I also did not like the temoral cold war because imo Trek usual does not do time travel stories very well it is usually treated like a way to do bad things and then just set the reset button to bring everything back to the norm.

With all those things going on that I didn't like the fact that it also played fast and lose with the whole Trek mythous was just the proverbial last straw for me.

 

[aurance]

I'm blessed with the fact that I don't know all that "myth" but am watching the actual facts of the origins of the federation without being a judgemental person who feels I know better than the people with the money and the writers to write the show.

They may have the money and the writers and whatnot, but it's the regular viewer whose opinions matter the most. And so far it seems Enterprise has failed to impress the public.

This sentiment comes up again and again... you know, "if you haven't done it, don't judge it" fallacy. Well, entertainment is meant to be consumed by people outside the industry, not by other entertainers, so let it be judged by the public. This applies to tv, art, music, whatever.

 

[Acid_crash]

They may have the money and the writers and whatnot, but it's the regular viewer whose opinions matter the most. And so far it seems Enterprise has failed to impress the public.

This sentiment comes up again and again... you know, "if you haven't done it, don't judge it" fallacy. Well, entertainment is meant to be consumed by people outside the industry, not by other entertainers, so let it be judged by the public. This applies to tv, art, music, whatever.

Very true, and I won't argue against that.

Still, I just take it as one show at a time, and maybe by the end of the show, if allowed to get through to the very end, maybe all of this will make more sense.

I do hope they get over the whole Temporal Cold War thing also, three years is a long time...but then again, in TNG, the entire story for that show was dealing with Q and his dumb trial at the beginning and how the entire show was a test of Q's and him testing humanity over and over and over again... I thought that was okay, but dumb, but I still watched and liked the show.

 

[Orius]

Didn't I say I wanted something I hadn't seen before? Didn't I say I didn't think fondly of ENT? Well, the problem with ENT is largely that while trying to give us something new, they gave us the same old crap as usual. VOY with a new crew.

I agree completely. Braga and Berman just couldn't keep the whole prequel stuff in mind, and then they use the TCW to retcon on a massive scale. You know, Enterprise would have worked fine without the Suliban at all. Look how popular the Andorians are. Hell, most of my favorite Enterprise episodes have nothing to do with the TCW.

Can't really argue with that. Conflict can be very much exciting. I'm not saying I don't want any conflict. I'm just saying I don't want want a large scale war. Been there, done that. Next please.

Well, given the timeframe, the Romulan Wars seem pretty much a no-brainer in the series. Most fans are pretty much expecting them to come up eventually.

Oh, they could do it well (or not) and I might like it very much and it could remember it as my favourite moment of Trek, ever. But until then, I'm not lookin' forward to the idea. Especially with the current creative team involved.

Yeah, I have to agree. I don't really have much faith in B&B myself atm.

Of course, they could take the Rommie war and give it somekinda spin. In fact, the Temporal Cold War could be a good spin. But it's just like Braga to think of a pretty neat idea like that and crash it into the ground. VOY was full of badly executed good ideas.

And Enterprise has had it's share of that was well. I also think the the TCW may very well end up triggering the Romulan War along the way. Maybe the Federation is formed because of various posed by the TCW and/or the Romulans.

Some people get lemons and make lemonade. Braga is the kinda a guy that makes concentrated sour.

Heh.

 

[Orius]

Sorry, bro, but I prefer large-scale war. I hated when they decided to keep the so-called Cardassian War in the TNG background. I mean despite the fact that E-D is carrying families onboard, LaForge did say that this is the flagship of the fleet.

Um, if I'm not mistaken, the Cardassian War took place like 10-15 years before TNG. So that's why it was in the background.

Trust me, you won't find anything exciting than that, especially if NX-01 should be involved. I mean it's like not using battleship Missouri in World War II.

Yeah, but we're talking the same Starfleet that NEVER has enough ships to defend Earth, etc. Starfleet always makes very bad tactical decisions.

 

[Ranger REG]

I despise the female characters and the lame excuses to get the Vulcan out of her clothes. And I kept wishing that someone would just kill Hoshi and put her and me out of our misery. "oh I am afraid" it made me want to gag.

I hated what they did with the Vulcans. It goes against every thing ever said about the friendship between Earth and Vulcan.

I thought Archer and his crew came across as arrogant earthlings with little respect for other cultures. Which would have been fine if it was handled in a way to show why things like why the prime directive came about. Or they would get knocked down a few pegs.

I also did not like the temoral cold war because imo Trek usual does not do time travel stories very well it is usually treated like a way to do bad things and then just set the reset button to bring everything back to the norm.

With all those things going on that I didn't like the fact that it also played fast and lose with the whole Trek mythous was just the proverbial last straw for me.

I'd rather not kill the characters, I'd rather fire the writers, because they are ultimately responsible for the development of stories and characters. Unfortunately, it may be that way because the writing staff is under Braga's leadership.

If Manny Coto, the new showrunner, can manage to make their characters more interesting (I like Sato; as an Asian she has to represent) as well as the stories (as soon as they conclude the TCW story arc), then we may see a return of longtime Trek fans.

Kinda like what D&D 3e did (brought back many 1st edition fans).

 

[Ranger REG]

Um, if I'm not mistaken, the Cardassian War took place like 10-15 years before TNG. So that's why it was in the background.

Really? So what's with the Federation-Cardassian Treaty and the Demilitarized Zone, which gave us a free Bajor and the formation of the Maquis?

Yeah, but we're talking the same Starfleet that NEVER has enough ships to defend Earth, etc. Starfleet always makes very bad tactical decisions.

Yeah, but this is Earth's Starfleet, not yet the Federation's Starfleet.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Feh. Every time there's a "disaster", the only ship within range is, of course, the Enterprise (whichever version) with no backup within a week's journey (or so). That gets old quite quick. Why don't they come to the assistance of another ship and TOGETHER they solve the dilemma?!?!?!