Raven Crowking
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Vigilance said:To say that Enterprise is better than DS9 might be the funniest thing I have heard in a long time.
Everyone's tastes are different, of course. I started out by noting that I am obviously in the minority here. If you think, say, Season 3 of DS9 was better than Season 3 of Enterprise, well, that's your right. I'll agree that DS9 was strong at the end, but I personally found the beginning weak.
I am glad that you liked many of DS9's minor characters. Obviously, Dax was an extremely strong character for the series, and they also pulled in some from TNG, presumably for those of us who didn't think there was anything special about many of these characters.
I do agree that DS9 had some great stories. In fact, I will agree without hesitation that DS9 had the best time travel story in Star Trek history....well, at least to date. (No, not Trials and Tribblations, as good as that was, I refer to the story where Sisko ends up skipping through time and Jake grows old trying to rescue him. That was brilliant!) But, in my opinion only (perhaps literally mine only), Enterprise is better.
And now we come to the fan-boy crackback part of your post. Don't complain about Enterprise or they'll pull it? Boy that's a great rationale. That's like feeding someone oatmeal everyday, then when they complain, just not feeding them at all.
There's a difference between constructive criticism and knee-jerk reaction. As I said, Enterprise has had some dog episodes. It has also had some very good episodes. The good outweigh the bad.
Star Trek often revisits themes, and has done so since the beginning. The episode, Sim, revisited an important theme from the Voyager episode, Tuvix. From an ethical standpoint alone, the Enterprise episode is better. There is a clear an imminent threat that prompts Archer to require Sim's death. Nothing substantial requires the same of Janeway. Sim's development and decision-making is shown over a series of scenes. Tuvix isn't given the same chance to protest. Tuvix is Sim-lite.
However, I can only stomach the show about half the time (usually when the Andorians or Klingons show up, coincidentally).
And like Ranger, I am just praying they finally *get on with the story* of the Birth of the Federation and dump the TCW.
I do believe that, while art is subjective, that there are objective standards as well. I know that I'm not going to convince anyone that Enterprise meets and exceeds those objective standards just on my say-so. But I do believe that this is the case. Off the top of my head, I can only think of 3-4 episodes in the first three seasons that fail by that standard, but I can easily think of more for any other Star Trek series. Which doesn't mean that there are no redeeming qualities for those particular episodes -- I quite like Spock's Brain -- but it does, I think, indicate that a lot more effort is being put into Enterprise than, say Voyager. And it shows.
Of course, people watch these programs for different reasons, and the reason you watch makes a pretty big difference as to what your opinion will be. Clearly, you may have some very specific ideas as to what should be presented. Allow me to suggest that those ideas might interfere with your objective analysis of what is being presented. Or, if not your analysis, at least the analysis of a hypothetical someone. I certainly found that my expectations interfered with my initial enjoyment of both the Star Wars prequel movies, and the LotR trilogy (I got over it).
Apart from not liking the characters (except, apparently, Phlox and T'Pol), what is it you don't like about Enterprise, anyway? Not enough slam-bam-zap-em-up action?
Dart K'Trava said:Feh. Every time there's a "disaster", the only ship within range is, of course, the Enterprise (whichever version) with no backup within a week's journey (or so). That gets old quite quick. Why don't they come to the assistance of another ship and TOGETHER they solve the dilemma?!?!?!
Happened in Enterprise already, in the first season. The episode where Trip gets pregnant.