Star Trek XI: Romulan Wars

Vigilance said:
To say that Enterprise is better than DS9 might be the funniest thing I have heard in a long time.

Everyone's tastes are different, of course. I started out by noting that I am obviously in the minority here. If you think, say, Season 3 of DS9 was better than Season 3 of Enterprise, well, that's your right. I'll agree that DS9 was strong at the end, but I personally found the beginning weak.

I am glad that you liked many of DS9's minor characters. Obviously, Dax was an extremely strong character for the series, and they also pulled in some from TNG, presumably for those of us who didn't think there was anything special about many of these characters.

I do agree that DS9 had some great stories. In fact, I will agree without hesitation that DS9 had the best time travel story in Star Trek history....well, at least to date. (No, not Trials and Tribblations, as good as that was, I refer to the story where Sisko ends up skipping through time and Jake grows old trying to rescue him. That was brilliant!) But, in my opinion only (perhaps literally mine only), Enterprise is better.

And now we come to the fan-boy crackback part of your post. Don't complain about Enterprise or they'll pull it? Boy that's a great rationale. That's like feeding someone oatmeal everyday, then when they complain, just not feeding them at all.

There's a difference between constructive criticism and knee-jerk reaction. As I said, Enterprise has had some dog episodes. It has also had some very good episodes. The good outweigh the bad.

Star Trek often revisits themes, and has done so since the beginning. The episode, Sim, revisited an important theme from the Voyager episode, Tuvix. From an ethical standpoint alone, the Enterprise episode is better. There is a clear an imminent threat that prompts Archer to require Sim's death. Nothing substantial requires the same of Janeway. Sim's development and decision-making is shown over a series of scenes. Tuvix isn't given the same chance to protest. Tuvix is Sim-lite.

However, I can only stomach the show about half the time (usually when the Andorians or Klingons show up, coincidentally).

And like Ranger, I am just praying they finally *get on with the story* of the Birth of the Federation and dump the TCW.

I do believe that, while art is subjective, that there are objective standards as well. I know that I'm not going to convince anyone that Enterprise meets and exceeds those objective standards just on my say-so. But I do believe that this is the case. Off the top of my head, I can only think of 3-4 episodes in the first three seasons that fail by that standard, but I can easily think of more for any other Star Trek series. Which doesn't mean that there are no redeeming qualities for those particular episodes -- I quite like Spock's Brain -- but it does, I think, indicate that a lot more effort is being put into Enterprise than, say Voyager. And it shows.

Of course, people watch these programs for different reasons, and the reason you watch makes a pretty big difference as to what your opinion will be. Clearly, you may have some very specific ideas as to what should be presented. Allow me to suggest that those ideas might interfere with your objective analysis of what is being presented. Or, if not your analysis, at least the analysis of a hypothetical someone. I certainly found that my expectations interfered with my initial enjoyment of both the Star Wars prequel movies, and the LotR trilogy (I got over it).

Apart from not liking the characters (except, apparently, Phlox and T'Pol), what is it you don't like about Enterprise, anyway? Not enough slam-bam-zap-em-up action?

Dart K'Trava said:
Feh. Every time there's a "disaster", the only ship within range is, of course, the Enterprise (whichever version) with no backup within a week's journey (or so). That gets old quite quick. Why don't they come to the assistance of another ship and TOGETHER they solve the dilemma?!?!?!

Happened in Enterprise already, in the first season. The episode where Trip gets pregnant.
 

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Ranger REG said:
I was perfectly happy without the label. It helped to stomach the show as not being part of the Star Trek "prime" universe, just one of those alternate universes or parallel realities. All I want them to do is focus on the relations between the founding members of the Federation, including Andorians, Tellarites, Vulcans, Alpha Centaurans, etc.

For me this is where the greatest dissapointment lies with ENT. I really didn't closely follow the press releases regarding the show, so as far as I knew I was getting a Star Trek show set before TOS. I had no idea about time travel or the TCW. The first season aired and I thought it was pretty good for a first season. The TCW elements were a bit of a let down, but the show had high production values and great potential. The second season and a third season has just given me more of what I didn't want - the TCW and storylines that just don't do much for me. I will say though that the second half of the third season (when I caught it) was more entertaining. But the season finale... :confused: ?

Overall I have been dissapointed with the show in terms of story writing and characterization. I was expecting a prequal along the lines of TOS with people not too different from people today. The Birth of the Federation, the Romulan War, exploration of space, old school Klingons, Orions and a gritier feel to the show. Instead I got time travel and a more TNG feel than TOS.
 

I had to weigh in here. I have also been watching ST for a long time, 1971 is the first time I can actually remember sitting down and watching a repeat. Last year though, Stargate supplanted Star Trek as my favorite sci-fi show. Why, because I care about the characters.

For me the TOS crew will always be larger than life, TNG crew because they brought back the franchise. DS9, WAS bad it's first three seasons, it finally started warming up in season 4, side note, didn't Worf come over in season 4?
Which brings me to Voyager, PLEASE, that had to be the worse writing and acting of them all, and I think that you get that if you listen to any of the actors speak about the show. Continuity was not the strong point and in fact I can't remember what the strong point of the show was. (Unless the acting of Robert Picardo (sp) is it) Enterprise has had some good moments in this last season, I actually wanted to see the last 4 or 5 episodes, but like RangerReg (hello) I agree can we be done with TCW. When I saw the end of last season with the "Nazi" uniforms and German in the background, I had a few things to say in those colorful metaphors we all use.

Ok enough rant....Stargate on this Friday can't wait...Enterprise season 4 well since it is now on Friday's, I'll catch you in the reruns. You are about to get buried in the ratings.
 

I am curious though, if it is true that the next Star Trek movie involves the Romulan War, if the movie can draw an audience with an unknown cast. By unknown I mean "not having appeared on the TV show". I think one of the strengths (or perhaps lure) of the ST movies has been the fact that the characters were familar from the TV show, whether it be TOS or TNG.

Do you think this movie would work with an unfamiliar crew? (assumming the story and other production values were well done)
 

myrdden said:
Do you think this movie would work with an unfamiliar crew? (assumming the story and other production values were well done)

It would come down to star power, who they would have in the movie. I think what we may see: Tom Cruse as Captain Ethan Hawk, hero of the Romulan War, his foe Commander Maximus Asshous played by Russel Crowe. I am not saying this is a bad thing but I do feel it is.
 
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I still say they need to get everyone they can from TNG, DS9, and VOY, throw them all into a continuing storyline, then have fans vote over the internet as to which character should be killed off each week. Should last about two seasons until only one is left who could, of course, wake up sweating in their bed and realizing it was all a dream...
 

Mark said:
I still say they need to get everyone they can from TNG, DS9, and VOY, throw them all into a continuing storyline, then have fans vote over the internet as to which character should be killed off each week. Should last about two seasons until only one is left who could, of course, wake up sweating in their bed and realizing it was all a dream...

Federation Idol?
 


Just before the scene in each episode where a cast member is offed, they come back with a black screen and an ominous voice that proclaims, "The fans have spoken..." Then the scene opens with a close up of the person who will be removed from the show. In this way we can focus on them during the scene even if they are killed non-chalantly in the background. :D
 

Or it could be "The Amazing Space"?

[Imagine]

Phil Keoghan appears on the view screen in an Admiral's uniform.

"The last crew to make it to Wolf 359, will be eliminated..."

(cue Klingons...)

[/Imagine]
 

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