Star Trek XI: Romulan Wars

Ranger REG said:
Really? So what's with the Federation-Cardassian Treaty and the Demilitarized Zone, which gave us a free Bajor and the formation of the Maquis?

i was going to put it in my own words, but then i found it online:

The Cardassians fought a bloody war with the Federation which finally ended in 2366 when an uneasy truce was reached. The armistice that ended the conflict was negotiated over a period of over three years by Admiral Alynna Nechayev, with Starfleet Captain Edward Jellico playing a large part in the negotiations. An item of note regarding the treaty is that Ambassador Spock openly disagreed with his father, the legendary Ambassador Sarek, over the outcome of the armistice. Border disputes would not be settled until the Federation-Cardassian Treaty in 2370.

i'm fairly certain actually that the Cardassian withdrawerel from Bajor was not a part of the Federation-Cardassian Treaty but a totally seperate decision by the Cardassian civilian government
 

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Another news item from trektoday:

Brannon Braga, executive producer of Star Trek: Enterprise, called the show's ratings "an enormously complicated issue" and wondered whether viewers have had their fill of Star Trek.

Speaking to Dreamwatch (via TrekWeb), Braga said that there was no doubt that the franchise had lost viewers over the past decade and more.

"You've got to put it in the context of ratings in general if you're going to compare the numbers for Enterprise to the numbers for The Next Generation," he said. "Very few people had cable and there was no satellite TV. Things are different now."

"Having said that," he admitted, "We have lost a lot of our audience since Enterprise premiered." Though he said that he did not believe it had to do with the quality of the show, he added, "Even when we do an episode like 'Twilight', it's still the 700th episode of Star Trek." He and his fellow writers "value the four million people who are still watching Enterprise loyally every week, which is nothing to sneeze at."
 


"You've got to put it in the context of ratings in general if you're going to compare the numbers for Enterprise to the numbers for The Next Generation," he said. "Very few people had cable and there was no satellite TV. Things are different now."

I'm not sure what Braga is trying to say? Is he saying that there is more choice for viewers now which inevitably cuts into the number of viewers for Enterprise and that is the reason why ratings are down?
 

Can DATA Save Enterprise!

Spiner Beams To Enterprise

Star Trek: The Next Generation star Brent Spiner (Data) will guest star in UPN's upcoming fourth season of Star Trek: Enterprise, according to The Hollywood Reporter. Spiner has been tapped to do three episodes of the Trek prequel series, playing the great-great-grandfather of Dr. Noonien Soong, the creator of Data. Spiner previously played Dr. Soong in an episode of TNG.

Rumors also suggest that original Star Trek star William Shatner may also pay a visit to Enterprise, but sources told the trade paper that there are no immediate plans for a guest appearance. Enterprise, originally scheduled for 9 p.m. ET/PT Fridays in the fall, will now air at 8 p.m., the trade paper reported.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2004-07/19/10.00.tv
 

Basically, for those new to those news, Shatner was planned for a guest spot,
playing Kirk's ancestor, but then he couldn't do it because of his work in the
new Practice spin-off. So a little rewritin' is done and voila! Brent Spiner fills
the spot.
 

But mostly it is fluff, lets pull a rabit out of our hat and see if we can't get someone to care, because we really don't need those guys to play the role, just their name for fan recognition. :D
 

I imagine that I am in the minority here, but I think that Enterprise is the best Star Trek since TOS. Castwise, Phlox makes it onto the list of "Best Trek Characters Ever" so quickly that even he can't smile widely enough. The long-term storylines (like the Xindi, the Klingons, the Andorians, etc.) are woven together much sooner (and, IMO, much better) than they were on DS9 -- and that was almost all DS9 had going for it. When the Enterprise is damaged, it stays damaged until repaired. The same goes for crew. Oh, if only that had been true on Voyager!

Now, I know that TNG is going to be hailed as a landmark, but the way I remember it, I didn't get hooked on TNG until the 4th Season. Looking back, I can enjoy the episodes from Seasons 1-3, but it took TNG a lot longer to find its niche. And TNG had Wesley Crusher. :eek: Riker wanted to be Kirk, but wasn't even close. Every time they left him in charge of the ship, he messed up. Troi was written almost exclusively as a whiner or the Trek version of Big Brother ("If you won't tell me what's bothering you, Reginald, you're off duty until you do." -- why not simply "until you've solved the problem and your emotional state is better."?). Worf, Data, and Picard were great. They had some good backup characters, too.

On Enterprise, when the MACOs die, we have to deal with the consequences. It comes up again. TNG did that with Tasha Yar...but who else? Who did Voyager do that with?

Sure, Enterprise has a few dog episodes. But, overall, the episodes are better than anything on DS9 or Voyager, and are comparable to the better episodes on TNG. Enterprise is also trying to create a path between where we are now, from a social and ethical perspective, and the better future we've been imagining since Kirk, Spock, and McCoy beamed down to deal with a salt vampire. This is a harder task to accomplish than simply providing a "Wagon Train to the stars" and is, frankly, worth attempting.

Why is it so much easier to tear down each episode than to recognize the genuinely good work that is being done here?

But, then again, fans are their own worst enemies. It was true for Doctor Who, where the fans kept complaining no matter what the BBC did, until they just chucked the whole thing, and it's true here too. Paramount tried to remove the "Star Trek" from Enterprise, in part, I think, because of this: Enterprise must succeed not because of, but despite, those who think of themselves as Star Trek fans.

Of course, this is all just my opinion. But I will remind you of this: Fox and the BBC were going to produce a new Doctor Who series in the late 90's. Despite being pitted against the final episode of Rosanne (which was a mega-hit at that time), the TV-movie/pilot did pretty well in the ratings. The fans, though, complained vocally. A lot. And the project died. Only now is the BBC revisiting the programme.

RC
 

They tried? Only this season did they use the Star Trek label preceding the show's title.

I was perfectly happy without the label. It helped to stomach the show as not being part of the Star Trek "prime" universe, just one of those alternate universes or parallel realities. All I want them to do is focus on the relations between the founding members of the Federation, including Andorians, Tellarites, Vulcans, Alpha Centaurans, etc.

Now that we're almost done with the Xindi/Delphic Expanse story arc, I can only pray that they wrap up the Temporal Cold War main arc. When it comes to Braga and time-travel stories, they don't mix.
 
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To say that Enterprise is better than DS9 might be the funniest thing I have heard in a long time.

DS9 had about half a dozen minor characters that I liked and loved seeing when they appeared such as: Garak, Gul Dukat, Kai Wyn, General Martok, Weyoun, Vic Fontain and so forth.

Many of these characters were better than Enterprise's main characters imo.

I like Archer, T'Pal, and I agree about Phlox, he's awesome. However, three good characters aren't enough. The stories just aren't the good.

And now we come to the fan-boy crackback part of your post. Don't complain about Enterprise or they'll pull it? Boy that's a great rationale. That's like feeding someone oatmeal everyday, then when they complain, just not feeding them at all.

Here's the deal, pulling Enterprise isn't much of threat, because the audience is leaving in droves anyway.

Im not a fan boy waiting to complain about anything. I desperately wanted Enteprise to succeed, and I think most fans are the same way, quite the opposite of your characterization. But the show sucks.

Voyager was more entertaining.

There I said it. Voyager had some absolutely silly recurring themes, that kept me from taking the show seriously, like the fact that they blew up about 30 shuttles. However, I was at least entertained while watching it.

Enterprise gets turned off half way through with a yawn about half the time.

One last thing. Braga mentions that 4 million viewers is nothing to sneeze at and he's right.

However TNG pulled in 12 million at its height, DS9 did a lot better, heck even Voyager's ratings were better.

It isnt cable TV's Braga, it isnt the FANS fault for whining Raven.

The show just isn't drawing viewers.

You like it and I respect that.

However, I can only stomach the show about half the time (usually when the Andorians or Klingons show up, coincidentally).

And like Ranger, I am just praying they finally *get on with the story* of the Birth of the Federation and dump the TCW.

Chuck
 

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