Stilled, Silent Spellcasting Provokes AoO?

[Nail]

So, do most DMs mention AOO, or expect players to do so?
What would a player be told in this specific case? Something like; “The guy next to you isn’t paying full attention, it seems like you can strike him freely while still pressing your other attack (on whomever)”?

I can speak for Most_DMs; wait fer him to get back from vacation, and I'm sure he'll answer your question.

As for me, I do tell PCs when they get AoOs.....but the players know too, even if I've made a mistake.

"He cast a spell at me? Well, I get an AoO first, right?"

 

[Urbannen]

What would a player be told in this specific case? Something like; “The guy next to you isn’t paying full attention, it seems like you can strike him freely while still pressing your other attack (on whomever)”?
This kind of suggests casting, but does not reveal it explicitly. Or would a DM say “AOO due to casting”, or say nothing at all, but just describe a still, quiet opponent?

How about:

"The human wizard/demon/fey goes slack and stops moving abruptly, his/its/her eyes narrowed intently at you."

You could add:
"He/it/she begins to point (for magic missile)/ speak (for suggestion)/ smile (for charm person)."

 

[The Souljourner]

When a spell is stilled, you don't need to do the complicate magical gestures that accompany it. When a spell is silenced, you don't need to say the abstract arcane words. Nevertheless, you still have to concentrate on casting the spell, designate its targets / aim it, etc. That's when the fighter tries to lop your head off.

Slim

Please note I said that I do agree you get an attack of opportunity... it's not your gestures or words that cause it, it's the concentration necessary.

My question was whether or not said fighter could tell that you're casting a spell, or if he think you've been momentarily dazed at the realization that the earth is round (or something similarly absurd).

Oh, and the DM should definitely tell the players when they get an attack of opportunity, there are just too many things that cause them for the players to always be able to know when they should. Which is not to say that the players shouldn't be ready to remind the DM in case he forgets.

Not that I've ever seen anyone get an attack of opportunity because of a spell being cast. Anyone with any brains (which are often required to cast spells) is going to cast on the defensive.... if your choice is

1.) make a concentration check and risk losing the spell
or
2.) get hit, make a concentration check, and risk losing the spell...

you're gonna go for door #1.

-The Souljourner

 

[Magic Slim]

Please note I said that I do agree you get an attack of opportunity... it's not your gestures or words that cause it, it's the concentration necessary.

My question was whether or not said fighter could tell that you're casting a spell, or if he think you've been momentarily dazed at the realization that the earth is round (or something similarly absurd).

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-The Souljourner

Read your post a bit quick, I apologize.

I guess that unless the spell has an obvious visual effect or that it forces you to make a saving throw, you can't really tell.

Slim

 

[kpdezend]

Let's say you're a mid-level mage with the Still Spell and Silent Spell feats. You're in combat, in an opponent's threatened square, and you cast a Stilled, Silent spell. Does this action provoke an attack of opportunity from the opponent?

I would say no AoO. It makes sence.

- Kent -

 

[Magic Slim]

I would say no AoO. It makes sence.

- Kent -

I suggest you read the rest of the thread

Slim

 

[green slime]

I would say no AoO. It makes sence.

- Kent -

And how do you motivate AoO's for Spell-like abilities, which have no components?

Your second sentance makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Hypersmurf]

What would a player be told in this specific case?

Hell, in 3E, I'm a fervent advocate of the fact that an invisible character can provoke an AoO.

In that case, I'd tell the player "An AoO has been provoked. Do you wish to expend your AoO for this round and attempt to take it?"

"Who provoked it?"
"You have no idea."
"Where is he?"
"You have no idea."
"Uh, okay. Sure, I'll take it... uh, that square. 50% miss chance, right?"

In 3.5, though, they've changed the rules for AoOs, to state that a character with total concealment does not provoke an AoO.

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Under spellcraft in the SRD for "identify a spell as it is being cast" it says "You must see or hear the spell’s verbal or somatic components."

Dimension Door doesn't have a somatic component. Not seeing the somatic component doesn't cause you any trouble, because there isn't one. Being blind doesn't handicap you as far as identifying a Dimension Door goes.

It does have a verbal component. If you're deaf, then you can't hear the spell's verbal component, and can't identify the spell.

But a Silent Dimension Door doesn't have a verbal component. Just as you don't need to see a non-existent somatic component, you don't need to hear a non-existent verbal component, and thus can identify a Silent Dimension Door being cast (but not a normal Dimension Door) while deaf.

At least, the case could be argued

Tome and Blood introduced new rules for Spellcraft... for each component you can't perceive, the DC increases by +2, but you can still potentially identify the spell.

-Hyp.

 

[Magic Slim]

Tome and Blood introduced new rules for Spellcraft... for each component you can't perceive, the DC increases by +2, but you can still potentially identify the spell.

-Hyp.

So there must be other signs that can be interpreted?

Slim