They Killed Cap!

billd91 said:
Contrast this with the Korvac story arc in the Avengers. Cap takes on Korvac alone while most of the rest of the Avengers are reeling and inspires Wonder Man, the character with the most fear of death, to sacrifice himself to buy the other heavy hitters enough time to get to their feet. That's why nobody replaces Steve Rogers as Cap. He's one of a kind.

Rogers was one of a kind, and so hopefully will be his successor.

Regarding your Korvac example, we have a fine example of Cap being an inspirational leader rather than a brilliant strategist. Never say die, never give up, never surrender/ He's that uncompromising man that's easy to admire--and whose shortcomings are easy to overlook. In this case, it's overlooked that the Avengers and Korvac shouldn't have been fighting in the first place. Korvac's goals were benevolent. A little compromise might have saved them some trouble.
 

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Vigilance said:
If Cap and Batman fought 10 times it would probably come out 5-5.
Since they're both fictional characters, and comic book ones to boot, I'd say it would all depend on the particular author and the story arc they were in. But maybe that's just me.
 

shilsen said:
Since they're both fictional characters, and comic book ones to boot, I'd say it would all depend on the particular author and the story arc they were in. But maybe that's just me.

Referring to them as fictional characters is blasphemy.

Cap was my best friend in 4th grade!
 

Felon said:
His role was often more inspirational than strategic.

Well, we can match those portrayals woith Bats' turns at slavering and myopic monomania, or (gasp) the skinny-dork Adam West version, and call it even, then. :)
 

Felon said:
Rogers was one of a kind, and so hopefully will be his successor.

Regarding your Korvac example, we have a fine example of Cap being an inspirational leader rather than a brilliant strategist. Never say die, never give up, never surrender/ He's that uncompromising man that's easy to admire--and whose shortcomings are easy to overlook. In this case, it's overlooked that the Avengers and Korvac shouldn't have been fighting in the first place. Korvac's goals were benevolent. A little compromise might have saved them some trouble.

I can only assume you believe Moondragon's take on it. I think most people, myself included, would disagree. She would think Korvac would be benevolent, but then she had an autocratic personality. It's worth pointing out that when confronted by the Avengers, Korvac's first act is to murder someone who isn't even there. Cap was right, Korvac was a self-appointed diety who casually commits mass murder which, given his titanic power, was completely unnecessary.
 

Ranger REG said:
Just not another blonde-haired, blue-eyed dude. He should be at least biracial, like Dwayne Johnson (half-Samoan, half-African-American).

And speak in the third person. I can see it now:

"FINALLY, the Cap has come BACK to the Avengers! Who in the blue hell are you?"

"I'm..."

"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS! And the rest of those pajama wearing jabronis WERE right. You do suck."

Hrm.

C'mon Steve Rogers! Come back from the light! I repeat STAY AWAY FROM THE LIGHT!

Until then, we must accept the truthiness of it all. Steve Rogers will be back and won't Colbert be ticked he has to return the shield.
 

I suspect you'll see four guys rise up each claiming to be Captain America. One will be a man in an Iron Suit (Iron man), Another will be a cyborg version of Cap, the third will be a teenaged boy cloned from Cap's DNA, and the Fourth will be an alien that posseses the dead body of Cap. None of them will ultimately be Cap; who will be revealed to be a political prisoner of the U.S Government.
 
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Felon said:
Nope, they're both at the peak of human physical ability...whatever the heck that means.

I don't agree. For one Bats isn't as strong, and probably isn't as fast. Back in the old "Handbook Of The Marvel Universe" series Cap was listed as being at the total peak of natural human strength and could press 800lbs. Bats was never listed as definiately in the DC books, but I've read tons of stories were big thugs are stronger than him, that doesn't happen with Cap. I would assume the same goes for other attributes. Bats is a more well rounded fighter probably due to studying more styles, and is much smarter of course, but in sheer physical attributes I think Cap has an edge due to the syrum.
 
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