TSR TSR3.5 Launches IndieGogo Campaign to "Stop" WotC

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those claims are).

The IndieGoGo campaign was launched yesterday and has so far raised $675 (at the time of writing).

The action TSR seeks is a "Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership" which is a court declaration about the status of something in dispute.

TSR has launched a campaign to stop Wizards of the Coast

Become a Champion of TSR and Support TSR’s campaign against Wizards of the Coast!

TSR is taking a stand against Wizards of the Coast (“WOTC”) and its wrongful bullying of TSR, our trademarks, and its public libeling and slander of all those who helped create TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and products.

Wizards of the Coast has continually bullied TSR regarding TSR’s legally owned Trademarks. Wizards of the Coast has refused to answer all of TSR's repeated requests that they show any proof of their claims. Wizards of the Coast has the vast resources behind them and is implying to bring them to bear down on TSR.


The new TSR suffered widespread pushback when it launched, which they blamed on WotC, claiming that they were under a "coordinated assault across various channels being mounted.... by [WotC]" The company announced itself earlier this year, having acquired the TSR trademark after the previous holder accidentally let it lapse. It was run by Ernie Gygax, Justin LaNasa, and Stephen Dinehart. After several weeks of controversy, the company split into two -- Wonderfilled (Stephen Dinehart), and TSR (Ernie Gygax and Justin LaNasa).


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The page also indicates an intention to "fight to have WotC's legacy product disclaimer removed" from older products (that's the disclaimer on the older books available on DMs Guild which indicates that those books are products of their time) by claiming that the disclaimer portrays the creators of those older products as "as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products".


TSR will also Fight to Have the WOTC Legacy Disclaimer Removed

TSR is suing WOTC for Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership . TSR will also pursue in the near future having WOTC remove the legacy content disclaimer placed on TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and other products, and retractions of any other libel and slander which alleges that racism and other heinous beliefs are incorporated into those products.

This disclaimer attempts to make a statement of fact argument, and therefore paints all of the writers, editors, artists and consumers of those products as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products. This statement by Wizards of the Coast opens the possibility for the producers and players of these "Legacy Products" to face ridicule, and face the labeling as "bigots", "racists", "misogynists", and worse Cyber & Physical Attacks!

Wizards of the Coast legacy content disclaimer.

"We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end".


TSR3's Justin LaNasa spoke about the campaign in a YouTube video.


 
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Russ Morrissey

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Nikosandros

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I think it's just a play on "memorial". I also think nuTSR want's people to think they're associated the the Gary Gyagax memorial, but the folks managing that fund have told nuTSR that they're not allowed to claim that they have a relationship.
The Marmoreal Tomb project predates NuTSR by many years and I also think that Benoist Poire is not involved in any way with it.
 

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I don't see how we are the rubes - rubes are the ones who give you money. We aren't giving them money. We aren't even giving them free advertising - we post about them, but nobody who gives them money is reading here.

We're giving them attention, which is something they desperately want.

If not "rubes", then, something else I guess. "One piece of the gossip chain"? "Nescient assistants"? "Streisand affectors"? "They that are unwittingly part of the machine even though they pride themselves by living outside it"?
 



The Marmoreal Tomb project predates NuTSR by many years and I also think that Benoist Poire is not involved in any way with it.

I didn't know this was a pre-existing project. Or maybe I had heard about it, but forgot. Looks like the Kickstarter was originally in 2015 (?!) and is about 6 years overdue. Wow. Anyway, the Kickstarter had an update two weeks ago, but it's for supporters only. It would be great if a backer could give us an update.

Currently, it looks like TSR Con is claiming to have the Marmoreal Tomb, Star Frontiers New Genesis, and the Dungeon Crawl board game. That's a lot of vaporware for one convention.
 

Nikosandros

Golden Procrastinator
I didn't know this was a pre-existing project. Or maybe I had heard about it, but forgot. Looks like the Kickstarter was originally in 2015 (?!) and is about 6 years overdue. Wow. Anyway, the Kickstarter had an update two weeks ago, but it's for supporters only. It would be great if a backer could give us an update.

Currently, it looks like TSR Con is claiming to have the Marmoreal Tomb, Star Frontiers New Genesis, and the Dungeon Crawl board game. That's a lot of vaporware for one convention.
I am one of the backers. The update is from Troll Lord Games, since neither Ernie nor Benoist post on KS anymore. The gist is that the Wilderness and Underworld booklets have been turned in by Benoist and are in editing and layout. Troll Lords will then print the material that they have and ship it. All the rest of the missing material in in Benoist's hands.
 




Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
We're giving them attention, which is something they desperately want.

Don't give us that much credit.

Do you think these chuckleheads would be able to keep their mouths shut for more than five minutes given what we say about them? I do not. Since they don't refer to what we say, they are likely unaware of it at this point.

"They that are unwittingly part of the machine even though they pride themselves by living outside it"?

What machine? Machines do things. There are no things being done as a result of our words here. The posts here are spinning gears, relating to nothing of consequence at the moment.
 






Nikosandros

Golden Procrastinator
This was on or before March 2019

Yes, the project was stalled for a long time. Then, Troll Lord Games stepped in and we've has progress. I'm quite skeptical that we're going to get all that was promised (and paid for), but the part that was shepherded by TLG should go to print relatively soon.
 

darjr

I crit!
And to be fair, I think Benoists work on it will turn out to be good and the whole thing even better via the Troll Lords. I hope folks that backed it get their moneys worth.
 

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