Imaculata
Hero
You don't remember this?
No doubt he has been hugely influential. But I don't think he is to blame for soundtracks in movies having less presence these days. He is merely the most obvious example.
Review Umbrella academy season 3. No spoilers please
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You don't remember this?
No doubt he has been hugely influential. But I don't think he is to blame for soundtracks in movies having less presence these days. He is merely the most obvious example.
payn
Legend
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
I'm not sure every composer is capable of really memorable sountracks. Only a few composers seem to hit that highest level multiple times. Elfman and Williams are the big ones that I can think of. I'm sure that there are a few others, but there are hundreds of good movies that don't have those great soundtracks.
p_johnston
Adventurer
A lot of composers also aren't aiming for memorable soundtracks. They're aiming for a soundtrack that enhances the scenes they're in without overshadowing. While having big epic scores can be a good thing and enhance a movie sometimes most of the time it's better if the music is something that our not consciously thinking about.
Hussar
Legend
By the same token, if you hum the first few bars of the theme song of a lot of movies, you'll get some pretty instant recognition. Hum the first few bars of the Harry Potter theme and every kid in the room starts humming with you. Instant recognition.
I can't be the only one who got goosebumps when Immigrant Song started playing in Thor Ragnarock.
I can't be the only one who got goosebumps when Immigrant Song started playing in Thor Ragnarock.
wicked cool
Adventurer
Hope there’s another season. Does this follow comics at all?
No. It takes the comics as an initial inspiration, and then takes off like a rocket in its own direction. Which I find to be a good thing, as the comics plot isn't great.
Ryujin
Legend
Some things lend themselves to direct translation to another medium. Others don't. For example, while many old fans were pissed at how "Watchmen" didn't use the scene with the giant squid thing, I doubt it really would have played well in the movie.
payn
Legend
I loved the graphic novel and was waiting forever to see the movie. Didn't bug me that he changed the giant squid out. For the already bloated runtime of the film, it just wouldn't make a lot of sense to explain the squid. The series on the other hand, was able to include it because they had the time to explain it, and more importantly, show how it worked.
So, yeah there are likely good reasons to make changes from novel to film. I have seen bad reasons to make changes, which is why I think super fans get a little nervous about these things. Over the years, creators seem to be more sensitive to this and avoid making the bad calls. Still can happen though its a tricky subject.
Most definitely. Mind you, for Umbrella Academy, I think there are some things that I don't think played well in the original comic to begin with.
Ryujin
Legend
And sometimes you can elevate a concept when shifting to another medium. Sometimes you toss out the original concept, almost completely, and pretty much just use the name. "Starship Troopers", I'm looking at you.
Yep. One gets the opportunity to deal with some of the mistakes of the original... and replace them with your own mistakes
payn
Legend
Oh, I actually agree with Verhoeven's changes
On a serious note, I think The Expanse is a case study in what you are talking about here. Everybody know the book is better than the movie meme. Though, in this case the writers of the book were also the writers of the series. They were able to build on it and rearrange story pieces and introduce characters with more development. Its an instance where the series was better than the novels (well for 3 seasons anyways).
Ryujin
Legend
Yeah, I don't agree with them. If you're going to parody something rather than playing it straight, then maybe you should telegraph that more in the trailers? Hiring a writer and director who hate the source material just seems stupid to me and I went in expecting a serious military SF, with commentary on duty, honour, and totalitarianism, but got a sitcom by comparison.Oh, I actually agree with Verhoeven's changes
On a serious note, I think The Expanse is a case study in what you are talking about here. Everybody know the book is better than the movie meme. Though, in this case the writers of the book were also the writers of the series. They were able to build on it and rearrange story pieces and introduce characters with more development. Its an instance where the series was better than the novels (well for 3 seasons anyways).
If the original author is involved then it can be an opportunity to fix what they thought was broken, in their original take, that can result in a much better work that is also better suited to the medium. Or you can get Lucas retconning things that actually made much more sense in the original release, and more 'splosions, just to pad the over-full wallet a bit more.
payn
Legend
Yeah, I didn't care for the novel at all. The distaste of the subject along with an overzealous friend and fan of the work who insisted I read it made it sour. So, I wasn't thrilled when the film was announced. Though, sitting there next to my friend his mouth agape while I was grinning ear to ear was worth a million dollars.
In the case of The Expanse it was almost like the novels were a first draft. They had the benefit of going back and looking at what they done and were able to detail things more, add characters sooner, and just make the overall presentation that much better. A unique experience, but one I hope we see more of in the future.
Ryujin
Legend
Well they could have at least cast Ben Stiller in it, so there would have been no question about the way they were going.Yeah, I didn't care for the novel at all. The distaste of the subject along with an overzealous friend and fan of the work who insisted I read it made it sour. So, I wasn't thrilled when the film was announced. Though, sitting there next to my friend his mouth agape while I was grinning ear to ear was worth a million dollars.
They also had to alter the story a bit due to one actor's... indiscretions. I haven't read the books (but should), so I'm not sure how much that changed things overall.
payn
Legend
That was very late into the series and very unfortunate. At that point, sadly, the writers were pretty much using the novels as storyboards and making very little changes. A departure from the first half of the series I was not pleased by. We also wont likely get the final three novels on film. Thats the breaks in sci-fi though its hard to keep going unless its the big franchises like Trek and SW.
Hussar
Legend
Wow. I hadn't been paying any attention to the news. Yikes! That's brutal.
But, The Expanse is hands down the best SF series on TV IMO. That was just FANTASTIC SF despite the final season being a bit weak, again IMO. But the first three seasons? Holy crap. That was some serious SF that just sets the bar.
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