Yup, I agree. I didn't mean, 'It's beside the point 'knowing who is good and evil'. Looking back, I'm not sure why I wrote, 'It's beside the point'. I do remember trying to decide whether I should keep that sentence in there.
I think I meant that it was beside the point of what the previous poster was trying to communicate. He made a bad example and you jumped on it instead of understanding what he was trying to say. I think that's what I'd intended.
In any case, Orcs are tainted Elves, if I remember correctly, and you could argue that, if Gollum could be saved, maybe an orc could be too. Then I could argue that the hobbit was born 'good' and then tainted while the Orcs were born 'evil' and so the Hobbit had a frame of reference and something come back to and then we could get into a discussion of Original Sin...but that would all be beside the point. Because, I
think, @
toucanbuzz was trying to communicate that he doesn't want to think that hard about it when they are playing. I mean, Gandolf kills lots of goblins. So, while there is a sub-plot about redemption, there's also lots about just killing evil dudes.